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2DOtaku
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This reminds me of a poem: - When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. Then they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat. Then they came for the trade unionists, I did not protest; I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me. |
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Kruszer
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But by by it's very nature, being apathetic means you willingly give up your "rights" or opinions and therefore where my rights end and yours begin is a null point not relevant to the current discussion that I am having with you, since I am neither for or against the subject. I tried one, I didn't like it. Other people do, and I'm denying them their right to rape some fictional anime chick, nor am I over-reacting and advocating they be banned either. I don't delve too deeply in discussions of morality. It's an exercise in futility, and brain-numbingly stupid and painful, like getting teeth pulled out with no anesthesia. Last edited by Kruszer on Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:27 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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If you aren't advocating that, then why is it significant to "fundamentally" understand why other people do not like it and want it eliminated? I can understand those feelings but not the position that those are reasonable things to advocate. I.e. what's your point? Update: alright, so you don't want to discuss morality. You're apathetic. What's your point then? |
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Kruszer
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Because, it didn't seem like you did understand those basics and seemed like you were confused about them, which is why I pointed you in the direction of knowledge and tried to be helpful. Now you know and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! That was the point of that first post really. The other posts were correcting yours and others misconceptions created by said post. 
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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Oh okay, thanks lol.
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Blood-
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This same quote was posted in the other Talkback thread about the rape games. I'm sure it gets posted any time the issue of censorship or banning of objectionable materials comes up. Wouldn't it have been quicker simply to post: "PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BAN RAPE GAMES ARE WORSE THAN HITLER!!!" |
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vincent iii
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Both the poem and quote are quite excessive... |
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Mappy
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Well, that the death of the H-Game industry. What's next...?
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Key
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First, I'm going to warn everyone to behave themselves. This is a potentially volatile topic, so I won't hesitate to lock it if it starts to get out of hand.
That being said. . .
No, that isn't it all. I had a pretty good idea of what I was getting into - and it turned out to be every bit as extreme as I expected it would be - but I was still curious since the company behind it had made some other quality games that I'd already tried. Of the seven hentai games I've played to date, it's the only one which made me uncomfortable while playing it. It's also the one thing I've ever put on my computert where I wouldn't want to have to explain to someone else why it was on my computer. (And keep in mind that I have hard-core porn clips on it, too.) I've watched rape scenarios in hentai videos and not been bothered by them as much as this game did, perhaps because those just leave the viewer as a spectator, whereas the game is from the perspective of the bad guy, and the coldly calculated approach in the game is too chillingly realistic.
Then you haven't looked around enough. I've seen stuff like that at least as far back as the early '90s. Look, I don't particularly have an issue with these games existing, especially if they keep people away from pulling this stuff for real. I wouldn't be disappointed if they disappeared entirely, though. And 2DOtaku: Don't drag that quote out for something like this. |
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12skippy21
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Joy, yet another discussion about morality in the context of a media group. There is no comprehensive scientific evidence for both sides of this debate, and their never will be. This is because human thoughts and subsequent actions are different for everybody and are too complicated to represent scientifically. Even focusing on certain thought paths can be unscientific and leads to assumptions.
Basically suggesting rape games can cause people to rape in real life leaves out the individuals own responsibility. That in itself represents something wrong in the human psyche as well as believing your opinions are correct and so must be implemented on an entire population. I have played a rape game online, thought it was boring and nothing more. It's strange how many people represent their beliefs despite this news not affecting any of us, even indirectly. Shouldn't our opinions be directed at causes of rape in our own countries rather than in other people's just because they have an easier blame mechanism. US and UK rape rates are significantly higher than Japan's, I doubt rape games play a part here. |
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vincent iii
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A few points on this (I do agree with your first 2 paragraphs though) 1. This is an anime board. I doubt that many people here want to talk politics and human rights unless it has to do with Japan. If they want that they would go to a different message board. 2. The opinions that should be pointed to other countries should be Equality Now's. While they have done good things before in the past for Africa and Women Rights, this was something totally different. Nobody asked for this, nobody needed help in this. Instead of focusing their efforts for the month on reducing rape in their own countries, they felt they should inflict their personal views on the Japanese and their culture. |
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12skippy21
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Yeh good point. Sorry, I have a habit of roaming into political realms. Has for your second point, also agree. I am a member of Greenpeace, they have done things which I wish my membership fee didn't do towards. Nothing good ever comes from forcings your beliefs onto other people be it anime related or universal usage. |
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2DOtaku
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You say that now... |
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vincent iii
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I just feel using holocaust and Hitler references for a video game genre getting banned to be excessive. But that's just my personal view
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dan888
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That quote or not, whenever stuff starts getting banned for moral reasons, it becomes a slippery slope, always leading to the question of what should be banned next. |
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