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Hypeathon wrote:

RyanSaotome wrote: I did. Having "High standards" has nothing to do with limited time. It just means you're putting priority on watching shows in genres you prefer. You really think it just boils down to genre and nothing else?

Yes, I do. If you won't watch fanservice shows for example, its not about having "Standards". Its about not liking fanservice shows.

Now I could be reading into that stuff completely wrong, but even when I appeared on episode 96 of ANNCast (a call-out show) & talked about some obscure anime that I felt deserved more appreciation, Justin even outright stated that I don't seem to have "high standards". I highly doubt that Justin meant that as an insult, nor did I take it that way, but at the same time it just reaffirmed my feeling that if having "high standards" means that I shouldn't be able to enjoy stuff like Godzilla, Ring ni Kakero 1, Zaizen Jotaro, or Clockwork Fighters: Hiwou's War, then I'd rather not consider myself as having "high standards"... I'd rather just have "standards", i.e. I enjoy what I enjoy & I don't like what I don't like.

Oh, I thought you meant shunning their opinions.

I don't agree with excluding actual people from the community. TitanXL - the person who claimed that anyone who dismisses Accel World is not a "legitimate fan" - is an arse and their opinion is wrong. I like Accel World, but I would never condone shunning someone just because they didn't like it.

dtm42 wrote:

I don't agree with excluding actual people from the community. TitanXL - the person who claimed that anyone who dismisses Accel World is not a "legitimate fan" - is an arse and their opinion is wrong. I like Accel World, but I would never condone shunning someone just because they didn't like it.

Funny, I don't remember saying this.

How any legitimate anime fan could dismiss Accel World is.... ugh.

Lord Geo wrote:

Now I could be reading into that stuff completely wrong, but even when I appeared on episode 96 of ANNCast (a call-out show) & talked about some obscure anime that I felt deserved more appreciation, Justin even outright stated that I don't seem to have "high standards". I highly doubt that Justin meant that as an insult, nor did I take it that way, but at the same time it just reaffirmed my feeling that if having "high standards" means that I shouldn't be able to enjoy stuff like Godzilla, Ring ni Kakero 1, Zaizen Jotaro, or Clockwork Fighters: Hiwou's War, then I'd rather not consider myself as having "high standards"... I'd rather just have "standards", i.e. I enjoy what I enjoy & I don't like what I don't like.

Amen. "High Standards" seems like such a drag if I have to limit what I like in order to keep that badge of 'honor'. I think I'd rather watch stuff I enjoy rather than what someone else thinks is 'good'

I've loved film and video even more since I've learned and applied film theory.

*Although there is a study that says, if people watch dumb people/characters in a show or movie, they're likely to be less-intelligent in the short-term. See here. Whether there's any real credibility to this, I'm not certain.

I've loved film and video even more since I've learned and applied film theory. I don't think it's elitist to say I appreciate movies more than the average person because I actually understand film language. And there's a helluva of film theorists and practitioners (for a lack of a better term) that know more and can understand film better than I do. The same thing applies for people familiar with animation, music, writing, painting, dance, opera, etc.

It's very frustrating to see comments like Lord Geo's where there's this image of people excluding "simple" works if they have different or "high" standards than other people. I've loved film and video even more since I've learned and applied film theory. I don't think it's elitist to say I appreciate movies more than the average person because I actually understand film language. And there's a helluva of film theorists and practitioners (for a lack of a better term) that know more and can understand film better than I do. The same thing applies for people familiar with animation, music, writing, painting, dance, opera, etc.

I mean, God, Brian even mentioned in the last two columns that he predominantly consumes and enjoys the type of "simple" things that Lord Geo mentions. But people continue to just read what they want to read, believe that people with "high standards" like things only because they are told to, and that these "high standard," "elitist" people don't actually enjoy things that are unconventional and/or difficult. Stop with this nonsense.

Like Fencedude said, he could go on and on about the characters in Haganai, then someone else can just come in and dismiss it as 'simplistic school-based fanservice crap' like a lot of ANN previews tend to do with similar shows. Who's right in that regard?

And a lot of people don't care!

You may find the theories and abstract concepts behind film (and TV and anime and whatever) creation interesting, but just because I (or others) don't, doesn't mean we don't appreciate things as much as you do.

I can find such discussions interesting (and Zac, for example, did a great job on the Madoka reviews in full critic mode), but by god I don't want to see everything through that lens all the time.

The "elitest" attitude here is that your appreciation of things is better than mine because you do care about that. Its not. Its different, and I may even find your views of interest, but that is all.

And who determines what is 'simple', exactly? The fact we're even using that word does seem to pronounce a degree of thinking that 'this show is beneath me'.

Like Fencedude said, he could go on and on about the characters in Haganai, then someone else can just come in and dismiss it as 'simplistic school-based fanservice crap' like a lot of ANN previews tend to do with similar shows. Who's right in that regard?

It's very frustrating to see comments like Lord Geo's where there's this image of people excluding "simple" works if they have different or "high" standards than other people. I've loved film and video even more since I've learned and applied film theory. I don't think it's elitist to say I appreciate movies more than the average person because I actually understand film language. And there's a helluva of film theorists and practitioners (for a lack of a better term) that know more and can understand film better than I do. The same thing applies for people familiar with animation, music, writing, painting, dance, opera, etc.

I mean, God, Brian even mentioned in the last two columns that he predominantly consumes and enjoys the type of "simple" things that Lord Geo mentions. But people continue to just read what they want to read, believe that people with "high standards" like things only because they are told to, and that these "high standard," "elitist" people don't actually enjoy things that are unconventional and/or difficult. Stop with this nonsense.

I mean "movies" in a general sense, and how much background someone brings to a given subject does matter. If someone actually takes the time to learn about the medium they're consuming, they obviously care about it and enjoy it in a way that's markedly different than those that only ever passively do. I know a little bit about music, but honestly I don't get as much as someone who knows a helluva lot of theory and is able to apply. They're able to listen to music in a way I can't. They're able to understand it more than I am, and I don't have a problem admitting to that.