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gironae86
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I'd like not to stay biased but as seeing to compare some of anime to their manga, for example, Elfen lied manga by far makes the anime look like total garbage. Don't get me wrong though because of Elfen lied anime I was able to read the manga. It seems something new IS actually interesting for the most part but some manga do deserve a complete word for word anime production. Also Ghost in the Shell series does deserve praise as it is something different from the manga.
As for Ghibli favorite, it's actually Howl's Moving Castle, since it's the second film I've seen from Miyazaki. The story does flip around but what I mainly got out of it was the romance story involving Howl and girl. The background story is just used to present and prolong the main point, but I can see why it would totally be looked down upon as it just took a turn for the worse. Last edited by gironae86 on Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:28 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Charred Knight
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I am just sick and tired of people badmouthing the FMA manga without even reading it. If you have read the manga and find the first anime better I will disagree with you but if you can give me good reasons I will respect them. Honestly, it seems like a lot of people take pride in being ignorant, if I enjoy an anime I will probably check out the manga as well. I mean if I liked a series, and more was available why wouldn't I check it out. I liked Gundam Wing, so I started watching all the Gundam series. I liked the Mai Hime anime (well not the ending) so I read the manga. Hell I read the Evangelion manga, because while the anime was completely boring, it did have a lot of potential. If you enjoyed the FMA anime why the hell wouldn't you read the manga? It simply doesn't make any sense. |
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sailorsarah
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I really enjoyed Ponyo. I tend to love movies that really capture that feeling of childhood though, like My Neighbor Totoro. Ponyo did have a very abrupt ending, but I thought of it as just being the end of that glimpse into Sosuke's childhood, like he would look back on it fondly. I thought it was a really sweet movie.
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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What? The entire second half of the manga was just an escalating exercise in ridiculous bullcrap. Character development remained stagnant in favor of clones and bloodshed. And how many times can you "kill" half the cast of series? The whole overcoming the genetic instinct to murder humans issue kept being reset after making it seem like they could change. You've got an extra character (Nozomi) that served only to pander to a particular fetish. The whole ending was just preposterous. spoiler[Lucy melted because... I'm not exactly sure. Her body couldn't handle her own genes?] |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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Congratulations on your first podcast ANN.
I thought I'd take the opportunity to mention that it's actually all Zac's fault I listen to podcasts at all. It must have been a couple years ago when he mention in an Answerman column that he could only tolerate AWO and Fast Karate; I took your advice. Thank you! While I understand the need for some kind of individuality in podcasting I would still agree with others in that a more intimate podcast is probably the more entertaining for it. It's more than a little disheartening to think that Miyazaki might be losing his edge. Here's hoping he doesn't descend to Lucas-ian depths. Additionally, Princess Mononoke was my gateway anime in addition to being something of a last hurrah for my VHS player before it became my first DVD. My only regret is that I only got to watch it for the first time once. |
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gironae86
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Yes some form of the manga WAS just preposterous, Nozomi being a needles character and yes the story was prolonged by that very fact mentioned above. Then again if you take a look at it, the author was toying with its audience of making it a dramatic story. In the end it actually did work because the ending for Lucy was really dramatic because the author made the main point of a young girl enduring hardship and in the end spoiler[died trying to live], makes sense? As for the anime spoiler[she just came back to the guy's doorstep] and that was it. |
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tsukikage
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Listened to the first two minutes, and I'm loving the feel so far. If you end up keeping up with it, I'd love for you to submit it to iTunes as a podcast. Putting it on my iPod manually so I can listen to the rest of the show while cleaning.
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Mistypearl
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I really liked the podcast, usually when listening to podcasts I tend to drift off and start to pay attention 10 minutes later, but thankfully this time that didn't happen. I really liked having the timetable of the conversation incase my limited attention-span wavered.
My favorite part was the viewer asked questions, I'm glad they took up a good portion of the podcast, I do feel bad for Bamboo though, stalkers are kind of creepy, well, not kind of, but really really creepy. Wish I could of heard some of the actual stories though! |
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Charred Knight
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Something I should correct Bamboo Dong on, they couldn't have started FMA Brotherhood at the introduction of the Xing characters because it would be too confusing.
I mean Winry's parents killer is different Father is introduced in episode 14 and Dante was introduced in the Greed's arc in the first anime The end of the Greed's arc is completely different. Anyone who has read the most recent manga chapters knows how important this is. The use of the Philosopher's stones in the Ishval massacre is completely different The actual Ishval Massacre is completely different Scar's abilities are given a different origin, and Ed hasn't even seen his tatoo yet The creation of the Philosopher's stone is different Lust is a completely different character Greed's past is different (he escaped a hundred years ago) |
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penguintruth
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Yeah, I made that point earlier, too. Amazingly, I've actually heard the "start from the intro of the Xingese" suggestion from people who have actually been reading the manga. Boggles the mind. |
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narutosramen
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I think they were way to harsh on Ponyo, it was a great film for little kids, my nieces loved it to death. So I think it entertained it's target audience.
Oh and Howl's moving castle is my favorite Miyazaki film along with Spirited away. It's funny, interesting, the characters all have odd quirks and do the unexpected... and it may not always make sense because it's also about the magic. Granted I've been a Diana Wynne Jones fan since I before Harry Potter was first published. And one last thing, I hope miyazaki puts out as many films as he possibly can after this because he is amazing at what he does. Who cares about his attitude (or the fact that he's old) because he's definately earned respect. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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I don't know if it's so much the attitude but rather the blind faith everyone is willing to put in Miyazaki that concerns some of us. Agreed, Miyazaki should get credit where it's massively due but his accomplishments owe a great deal to the people working with him as well. Star Wars and Indiana Jones being the unfortunate casualties of creative dictatorship that they are I shudder to think of a similar fate for Miyazaki. And even if that nightmare isn't realistic why waste the talents of a skilled man just to keep a spit shine on his ego? I'd like to think the overall goal should be making great movies and not spearheading a personality cult. |
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littlegreenwolf
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As long as he doesn't go back and remake any of his old movies I don't care if he continues to make movies, even if he has Alzheimers or is just senile or whatever. I don't think Miyazaki has lost his touch, but I'm not so blind that I won't give criticism when I think it sucks. I think people are jumping to conclusions to say he's turning into George Lucas when he has yet to do any of the things George Lucas has done to earn the rep. So Ponyo wasn't Princess Mononoke, and didn't do enough to stimulate your brain. It doesn't mean it's the end of the world, or Miyazaki's ability to make movies. |
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DomFortress
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Now let's look at some of the key elements in a Miyazaki's film which I believe to be his trade marks for a family friendly casting:
high-spirited main character - check supporting father figures - check check nourishing mother figures - check check adorable elderly - a whole senior house full of them, so not gonna bother to check them all Different than most western family friendly films which the stories themselves are kids friendly, Miyazaki made all of his characters in his family-friendly films to be positive role models, just as he has always did. This could be the reason why some people felt the story was a bit flat, because they're not used to a story that lacks negative characters as antagonists. Therefore If there's something that has changed with Miyazaki's directorial style over the years, thereby indicating that he could be loosing his touch, I didn't see it. Instead, what I can see is how the audiences each have different expectations of our world and the people who inhabit it, when some of them grew tired of themselves and just accept their world as it is. |
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Kakugo
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Whoa, just a second there Justin... Urotsukidoji New Saga is better than the original? Wha?!
Don't get me wrong, not all opinions have to be mine for me to find them valid, but I can't even begin fathom this one. We are talking about the same New Saga that looks like a flash cartoon got trapped inside of a Nintendo 64 game, essentially ignores that whole Ultra God the plot is supposedly based on, and who's superior character development focuses on a protagonist who spoiler[rapes his manager and then ignores her to sulk, only to have HER apologize to HIM for "not understanding his feelings"?] What a charmer! Never mind the fact that the leader of the Hells Angels is spoiler[Akemi - or a pacifist psychic with the same name], or that the "villain's" motivation is never once hinted at, or that the romantic rival in the original was literally reduced to spoiler[a fat kid working at McDonalds], and that one of the most interesting characters from the original story is name-dropped once but is totally irrelevant to the story at hand... you know, just to prove that New Saga was still a new take on the same material. If there was anything else that needed to be said, it's this: New Saga introduced a spoiler[cloned monkey without a skull cap in a test tube], the show's psuedo-hero grunts "WTF?!" and it's never mentioned again. For real? Come on! Even Masami Obari directs more coherent and heart-felt porn than that. For the record, I like Porco Rosso. Somebody's got to, right? Last edited by Kakugo on Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:56 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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