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Saffire



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:59 pm Reply with quote
The best part of this thread is realizing that High School DxD has become the gold standard for an entire class of light novels.
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Not like it has much competition anyway.

(In any case, how the hell do you write a fanservice novel? Spend half a page describing the female lead's boobs in excruiating detail?)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:36 pm Reply with quote
Saffire wrote:
The best part of this thread is realizing that High School DxD has become the gold standard for an entire class of light novels.


This.

This so much.

Chagen46 wrote:
(In any case, how the hell do you write a fanservice novel? Spend half a page describing the female lead's boobs in excruiating detail?)


Ever heard of Fifty Shades of Grey? Written Erotic Fiction is very well established as a genre, you know. So whether the writing is highly descriptive or is just descriptive enough to allow readers to fill in the blanks with their imaginations, people must be getting enjoyment out of such works. Else they wouldn't buy it, simple as that.

As a fan-fiction writer you sure don't know much, do you.


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To be perfectly honest, I was hooked from the moment I saw the ED (still the best ED of the year IMO).

Okay, I had to go back and rewatch the ED just to make sure I wasn't forgetting something and. . . wow, really? You don't think there's any other ED this year - either in song or in visuals - that's better than that?

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I'm a big fan of otaku battle shonen though... and adding boobs to it made it even better. While Dakara was also one of them, it just really didn't try to tell a good story or do anything outside of giving reasons for girls to lose their clothes during fights.

While this wasn't an amazing example of storytelling, I saw quite a bit more story than that, especially in the second half.

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With DxD, it has a giant central story and there are many major events and characters/factions hinted at that'll happen later on, and the characters are just far more likeable in general too.

Okay, but you still haven't answered my main question: when do we start seeing that? Or is this a case where if I'm not picking up on it right away then it's not going to work for me? The first two episodes haven't shown it covering any broader ground than what Dakara does, and it isn't any less about setting up excuses for clothes to be blown off in fights. The only advantage I've seen so far is that the enemy combatants are a bit more impressive. (Of course, that's the single biggest weakness of Dakara IMO.)

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Oh, and I meant Quele for the best girl in Dakara.

All right, I can see that, although her multicolored hair didn't work for me. (Which is curious, because normally I find that to be a turn-on IRL.) She does appear fully exposed in the ED, though.

DxD is a series that I have resolved to get back to eventually anyway, so I'll probably take a look at it seriously when Funi gets around to releasing the BR for it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:45 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:


All right, I can see that, although her multicolored hair didn't work for me. (Which is curious, because normally I find that to be a turn-on IRL.) She does appear fully exposed in the ED, though.



yes, but she is nipple-less. that's a major issue a lot people have in regards to Quele. personally i don't care, but other people do
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:03 pm Reply with quote
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RyanSaotome wrote:
To be perfectly honest, I was hooked from the moment I saw the ED (still the best ED of the year IMO).

Okay, I had to go back and rewatch the ED just to make sure I wasn't forgetting something and. . . wow, really? You don't think there's any other ED this year - either in song or in visuals - that's better than that?


Nope, and I watch like 15 shows a season. Everything is perfect about it for what they're going for... Absolutely stunning animation quality too. I can't think of any other ED that spent as much budget as that one this year.

There really isn't anything else that would challenge it, unless there was a really good ED from a show I didn't watch... most EDs are mainly still pictures after all, since most of the shows budget will go to the OP over the ED. Maybe Chuunibyou since it has the K-On thing going on... Hell, Chuunibyou Lite has a pretty great ED too. KyoAni sure knows how to make great EDs.

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Okay, but you still haven't answered my main question: when do we start seeing that? Or is this a case where if I'm not picking up on it right away then it's not going to work for me? The first two episodes haven't shown it covering any broader ground than what Dakara does, and it isn't any less about setting up excuses for clothes to be blown off in fights. The only advantage I've seen so far is that the enemy combatants are a bit more impressive. (Of course, that's the single biggest weakness of Dakara IMO.)


I thought it was pretty good from the start, though its first episode wasn't great... It was once the Asia arc started (which was either episode 2 or 3) that it started to get good. After that, it was lots of good fighting, tons of really well done fanservice and a story that had me emotionally invested. Its very rare that I actually care about the characters well being in a fanservice show, but DxD managed to do that.


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As a fan-fiction writer you sure don't know much, do you.



I don't write fanfic anymore, I "graduated" to original fiction, sort of.

IN any case, overly erotic writing like you describe frequently drags a story down unless it was pretty much intended to be porn in the first place. Which I'm pretty sure Dakara/DxD weren't.
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What do you expect from a show where the MC bemones in that his springtime of youth is over when he no longer can get it up for women? Frankly, it would have probably worked better if he just tried dating guys instead and told the being that cursed him to buzz off. At ;east it would have been original and not tried to copy DxD.
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Chagen46 wrote:
IN any case, overly erotic writing like you describe frequently drags a story down unless it was pretty much intended to be porn in the first place. Which I'm pretty sure Dakara/DxD weren't.
I think DxD actually is basically intended to be, but light novels also have the advantage of being illustrated. If you've ever wondered why light novels have so many random fanservice scenes, they're basically to give the artist something to draw.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:32 pm Reply with quote
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At ;east it would have been original and not tried to copy DxD.

Oh, yes, because the premise for DxD is so original. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:35 pm Reply with quote
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dragon695 wrote:
At ;east it would have been original and not tried to copy DxD.

Oh, yes, because the premise for DxD is so original. Rolling Eyes


DxD is a very popular light novel and Dakara came out 2 years afterwards and pretty much ripped off of it in many ways, so I'd say its pretty accurate that it copied DxD. LN writers aren't exactly the most creative people out there, so lots of times the most popular LNs in a certain genre get lots of people ripping off of them and changing things enough to be a new story.
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I wasn't trying to claim that Dakara didn't at least take some inspiration from DxD; the premises have too many similarities to deny that. I was merely pointing out that DxD can be easily looked at as derivative of earlier works, too, so it's not like it started a trend.

Anyway, getting back to the ED thing: In looking back over titles released this year I must admit that this has been a fairly weak year for EDs, so I can maybe see a case being argued for DxD's. My end-of-year pick is almost certainly going to be for a series that only became available in the U.S. this year (nothing airing anew in 2012 even comes close to touching PMMM's "Magia"), after all. Still, I'd definitely put Fate/Zero's second closer (yes, it's a montage, but a very effective one) and Bodacious Space Pirates' regular closer above it, at the very least. Heck, I'd put Dakara's closer up in league with it; it's not as well-animate but still cute.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:15 pm Reply with quote
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I was merely pointing out that DxD can be easily looked at as derivative of earlier works, too, so it's not like it started a trend.


Wow, so because Neon Genesis Evangelion is derivative of Space Runaway Ideon, that means that all those 'Eva Clones' like Brain Powerd and Eureka seveN should actually be renamed 'Ideon Clones'?

Wow, ~shocku~.

But wait a minute. Space Runaway Ideon is itself derivative of earlier Mecha series. Dear God, when will it ever stop?
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Oh, I was fully expecting that amazing bit of sarcasm when I wrote that; I just wasn't sure that it was going to be you dishing it up, dtm42.

The difference here is that, even though NGE had its roots in earlier series, it still did original things with its content. DxD never for a second struck me as having the slightest bit of original content.
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DxD does not really do anything unique but the fact that it will actually end with a harem ending, at least based on the ln is something semi unique in and of itself. As much as people bitch about it, there are maybe like 3 or less shows that I cant think of that end in harem endings.

But like I said Dakara is not a good comparison to Dxd, Campione is a better comparison. Zounds a red haired girl, clearly dxd invented this troupe, or MC as a pervert.

I would still like an explanation of why Dakara tried to have as little plot and explanation as possible.
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