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Keonyn
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:49 am Reply with quote
Reminder, you are to disagree respectfully or not at all. It's one thing to disagree with something written in an editorial, but it's another thing to then take that as grounds to insult that person and the quality of their work and their capability to do their work.

You want to disagree, fine, but it doesn't give you grounds to start taking potshots at them in other areas.
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Blood-
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:53 am Reply with quote
Well, I'm a little confused. The portion of my comment that was edited was specifically about my opinion of Bamboo's reviewing abilities. This is something I've seen other posters do with respect to other - male - reviewers without being censored. Carl, in particular, has inspired a fair amount of heated commentary in the past, all of which (to my knowledge) was allowed to stand. Can I assume there is a double standard that applies to female reviewers? Do they require some sort of special protection that male reviewers do not? Because that's the way it is looking to me.
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Ralifar



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:41 am Reply with quote
I'm going to have to agree with most of what Bamboo said about HIMM. To give you an idea of how much I disliked this anime I'm going to share a little something with you.
I'm working in Afghanistan right now. I work 12 on 12 off. My work requires me to monitor things and do a few trouble tickets. This isn't very time consuming work. It leaves me with a lot of free time out here. If you count the time I'm at work and the time I have off then I have about 16-17 hours a day in which to fill with various things. This in turn leads to tons of anime blind buying. I buy pretty much any and everything.
It generally only takes me 1 day to complete a short series like HIMM. I couldn't stomach it. It took me almost 3 weeks to finish a 12 episode series.
I won't call this the worst anime I've ever seen(that honor falls to Earth Maiden Arjuna), but it certainly was an extreme piece of crap. I also won't call you a pedophile for watching jiggling breast regardless of what age they say a person is though. I'm pretty sure most pedophiles like the underdeveloped look.
If you liked it kudos to you. I'm going to stand by my word in saying it's worthless though. Wink
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Blood-
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:59 am Reply with quote
Ralifar wrote:
...It generally only takes me 1 day to complete a short series like HIMM. I couldn't stomach it. It took me almost 3 weeks to finish a 12 episode series. I won't call this the worst anime I've ever seen(that honor falls to Earth Maiden Arjuna), but it certainly was an extreme piece of crap.


Dude, why would you push through a series you have an extreme dislike for? To a certain extent I understand because I have this thing that when I buy a series, I have to finish it all even if I'm not digging it. But then again I have never encountered a series that I disliked as much as you seem to dislike HIMM.

Anyway, best of luck in Afghanistan. It's a tough situation that's getting tougher. Anybody serving over there has my respect and thanks.
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Ralifar



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:21 am Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Ralifar wrote:
...It generally only takes me 1 day to complete a short series like HIMM. I couldn't stomach it. It took me almost 3 weeks to finish a 12 episode series. I won't call this the worst anime I've ever seen(that honor falls to Earth Maiden Arjuna), but it certainly was an extreme piece of crap.


Dude, why would you push through a series you have an extreme dislike for? To a certain extent I understand because I have this thing that when I buy a series, I have to finish it all even if I'm not digging it.


When you have exorbitant amounts of free time then it's not very difficult to set aside 20 minutes every other day to finish a craptastic series. You just have to watch it inbetween a few episodes of a show that you're enjoying. I'm also like you in that if I own it I need to finish watching it. Razz
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ReiClone88



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:31 am Reply with quote
Mario1234567 wrote:
He is my Master should have been Dubbed.. It would have 1 more sale.
Says the guy with an avatar of Index.... Rolling Eyes


Ralifar wrote:
Blood- wrote:
Ralifar wrote:
...It generally only takes me 1 day to complete a short series like HIMM. I couldn't stomach it. It took me almost 3 weeks to finish a 12 episode series. I won't call this the worst anime I've ever seen(that honor falls to Earth Maiden Arjuna), but it certainly was an extreme piece of crap.


Dude, why would you push through a series you have an extreme dislike for? To a certain extent I understand because I have this thing that when I buy a series, I have to finish it all even if I'm not digging it.


When you have exorbitant amounts of free time then it's not very difficult to set aside 20 minutes every other day to finish a craptastic series. You just have to watch it inbetween a few episodes of a show that you're enjoying. I'm also like you in that if I own it I need to finish watching it. Razz
But why bother even if you do have the free time? Surely something else could be done with those 20 minutes, cause it's sounding like as if watching anime is a chore. :/
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Ralifar



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:23 am Reply with quote
ReiClone88 wrote:
But why bother even if you do have the free time? Surely something else could be done with those 20 minutes, cause it's sounding like as if watching anime is a chore. :/


Let me posit something for you:

Say you spend a couple of years in Iraq. You're making close to $50,000 a year. You have little to no bills at all. You enjoy anime quite a bit. You have a lot of spare time. What are you going to spend money on?
Now a short while later you're spending three years in Afghanistan making a six figure salary. You still have little to no bills. You have even more spare time than when you were in Iraq. You're anime hobby is still pretty big for you. What might you spend money on to keep yourself occupied?
Eventually you're going to find it hard to find anime that you find enjoyable.

End of posited statement.

It can be a chore sometimes. What are you going to do though? There's not really any social outlets out here. I go to the gym. I read a couple hundred books a year. I play video games. And I watch anime. The Iraq and part of the Afghanistan sections are the price I paid for serving my country. The other part of the Afghanistan section is the price I pay for being greedy. It's all in what your priorities are I suppose.

Looks like the other message after ReiClone88's message was removed, but I'm going to make a response to it anyways. I'm a him not a her, and I'm not associated with ANN in any way other than being a fan of the site.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:51 am Reply with quote
Hey, Ralifer, if you ever need a place to store your (presumably) huge anime collection, let me know...I think I can hook you up with something cheap. Wink
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Ralifar



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:04 pm Reply with quote
One of the main reasons I've never sent any pictures in to Shelf-Life of my anime collection is because it wouldn't be that impressive. A couple of stacks of large black disc binders don't really make for good pictures.

Being that I've had such limited space to store things for such a long time I've unfortunately had to trash a large number of the original boxes and cases for my anime. I do have some cases back home in storage, but for the most part my anime collection takes up a few square feet instead of several bookshelves and walls. Razz

Thanks for the offer though Blood.
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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:08 pm Reply with quote
Ralifar wrote:
Being that I've had such limited space to store things for such a long time I've unfortunately had to trash a large number of the original boxes and cases for my anime.

Ah, so that explains it!
I was very curious about this, but figured maybe you had some off-base storage capability. I couldn't imagine you trying to move box sets of anime in the military, especially given how much space is allocated per person.

It gets worse on an aircraft carrier, which is why I never bought when I served. Ten singles would have taken up 90% of my allocated space.
Razz
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Ralifar



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:42 pm Reply with quote
I try to only keep two 204 disc binders with me at a time. It sucks when I want to watch something I haven't watched for quite some time, but I try to keep my favorites with me.

I'm going to have to buy some replacements for some of them as well. I've unfortunately cracked a disc or two for series that I've watched multiple times. I've thought about transferring my collection to digits multiple times, but that would just be so time consuming. I end up deciding it would just be easier to replace a disc if it wears out.

If worse comes to worse and I'm unable to get a replacement disc I always have the filthy internet pirates to fall back on. I own the disc even if it is cracked. They can't tell me not to download the episodes. Razz
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Raoh



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:29 pm Reply with quote
I wonder if I am the only one who laughed and saw the irony in the fact that Bamboo went from Raoh Gaiden to Kenichi. Mostly because Kenichi features a character, Sakaki, who is blatantly similar to Kenshiro in many ways.

I got a good laugh out of this. Very Happy


Also, happy that Raoh Gaiden is out, must purchase it. Very Happy
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GrilledEelHamatsu



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:38 pm Reply with quote
SakechanBD wrote:
pparker wrote:

What surprises me more is how much hate it's getting based on the girl's ages. They look similar to any other 14-20 year olds in otaku anime shows, and Izumi falls into the older range. I long since stopped paying attention to "official" ages in anime because they are entirely arbitrary.


;p It seems to me that otaku only quote girls' ages when they *don't* look above 18.

"Oh, she's actually 14? Well, she has giant breasts, a mature personality, and an intimate knowledge of Faust. In my mind, she's 18."

"Well, yes, she has no breasts, looks like a little kid, makes meowy noises, and still cries when she drops her popsicle, but she's actually 18!"


Let me comment right quick on this matter.

First of all, Miss Bamboo. I did not find anything repugant or flameable in your article about HIMM. Knowning Gainax in how they occassionally like to cross the line in thier ecchi(I'm pretty sure you've heard of Ebu-chu the Hamster lady, it's closer to being utterly raunchy and tatseless compared to this.)
HIMM is a mix of mostly lolita harem and I personally don't think it should matter if the girls are underage. It is indeed arbitary and if not asinine for anyone to make a big deal about this. In your review you said nothing offensive about this title and made it clear that it's not for girls. But for ecchi fan nerds like me. I really enjoyed your view on it.


I am sorry that some fans have misqouted your article making it look like your were bashing it when you clearly weren't. I respect your opinion and am glad you weren't saying "run run from this harem is offensive and perverted!" You were saying "The repetitive panty humor is only for those who have this kind of fetish, not for the squeamish."

Oh and the perverted alligator formula has been done before. In "Miami Guns" five years earlier.
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ANN_Bamboo
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:20 am Reply with quote
I seem to have missed the part in my review where I claimed that everyone who liked HiMM was a pedophile. No reason to get defensive over something that was neither said, nor implied, folks.

I merely stated that there were gobs and gobs of fanservice, and that I found a show about forcing women to parade around in skimpy costumes, or sitting by idly while they were getting molested by alligators-- to be contradictory to my tastes. If you'd like to read a review that looks at HiMM in a much more favorable light, you can read Theron's take on the series.

The bit about reaching for tissues was a cautionary tale, to be taken in jest. It's meant to make fun of the folks at Gainax, not the fans who consume their products.

Now let's hug it out, and be friends.
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Ralifar



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:15 am Reply with quote
It happens like this Bamboo.

A says something defending HIMM.
B says something about A being a pedophile or makes other references to the fact.
C sees that B said something about a pedophile and is too lazy to actually go read your article but wants to add input anyway and starts complaining about the things that B said as if they were the things that you said.
D, E, F, and G often make follow up comments without reading your article as well.

The moral of the story in this case is, "People are stupid."
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