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NEWS: Twins, 20, Jailed for Child Porn Including 'Manga' Images


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Triley



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:41 pm Reply with quote
JLightstar wrote:
Triley wrote:
Confused

Then, both of them entered a guilty plea, which was suppose to get David a sentence of the 14 days. After court yesterday, he found out that they changed it to 90 days (or 60 with good behavior).



I have one question, Was this plea consulted with the prosecution beforehand or was this wishful thinking on the lawyer's part. Did the prosecution, the defense, and the accused meet at anytime to discussed this. I don't know how Canadian law works, but if such a deal existed, it should have been in writing and submitted to the judge. Course, I assume the judge has a right to accept or reject the deal.


I was under the impression that they all agreed on it. He called me at work after he got home from court, and he said his lawyer told him 14 days if he pleaded guilty, 90 if he pleaded innocent and was convicted. He said nothing more, so I'm not sure.

I'm going to be flying up there weekend, just to get Monday with him after they get home from jail (hoping for home arrest for the first week for him instead, since it is a major possibility for the sentence), so I'll think to ask him, if I can get him to talk about it.
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neocloud9



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:45 pm Reply with quote
Triley wrote:
I'm going to be flying up there weekend, just to get Monday with him after they get home from jail (hoping for home arrest for the first week for him instead, since it is a major possibility for the sentence), so I'll think to ask him, if I can get him to talk about it.


Well, it's good that he has your support right now. What an unfortunate situation. Confused
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Triley



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:54 pm Reply with quote
neocloud9 wrote:
Triley wrote:
I'm going to be flying up there weekend, just to get Monday with him after they get home from jail (hoping for home arrest for the first week for him instead, since it is a major possibility for the sentence), so I'll think to ask him, if I can get him to talk about it.


Well, it's good that he has your support right now. What an unfortunate situation. Confused


Actually, the psychologist than ran the tests on him in Dartmouth, said that same thing.

We've been together for over three years, in this dang long distance relationship. (I don't call it a e-relationship, because if you total up the time we've spent together in person, it's close to 4 or 5 months.)

Our luck just doesn't seem to change. The first time we tried to bring him to the US to meet my family, he was refused at the border. We were taking a bus to Bangor, ME, and they sent me along the rest of my way, without even letting us say good-bye... Click here for my journal entry on this, on GaiaOnline.
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Ralifar



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:56 pm Reply with quote
Dimlos wrote:
...but what's "right" and "wrong" only comes from what society deems "right" and "wrong" at the time, making it a moot, subjective point.


No, it will be a moot point a few hundred years in the future when they have a different social and moral structure, but, as you said, today's society deems it to be wrong. If we use logic instead of idiocy that would make it completely pertinent.

Triley wrote:
He never downloaded it, nor the real kiddy porn. His twin admitted to everything being his.

David was questioned in the police station without a lawyer...


Well, I can't really say much to that except I'm sorry he has a brother like that, and that the police were douche bags.
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chrisb
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:26 pm Reply with quote
Wow isn't the sentencing kinda light for the brother who had actual abuse on his computer, not just images but videos of assault? I mean people have gotten in trouble for having just virtual stuff but this dude has 10 percent real and very illegal material.

Canada is weird...


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zawa113



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:27 pm Reply with quote
Wait, so a computer with actual child porn images is worth 3 months jail time + probation and the Chirstopher Handley case where it was all manga was worth up to 15 years? I sincerely hope I am mistaken here, that's the US government for ya (is Canada more lax about this or something or was it just the US court system being a jerk to Handley by overblowing the situation here?)
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Triley



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:27 pm Reply with quote
chrisb wrote:
Wow isn't their sentencing kinda light? I mean people have gotten in trouble for having just virtual stuff but these people have 10 percent real and very illegal material.


Did you read my above posts?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:36 pm Reply with quote
^ Yes and I apologize I should have referred to just the guilty party in this case. I just rushed so I edited it now to refer to the guilty party.
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Hexon.Arq



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:12 pm Reply with quote
It's been said before, but while the 10% more than merits punishment (if not more than was levied), I can think of no reason why virtual ANYTHING should ever be illegal. Even after all I've read in the news, it is still a completely bizarre concept to me.
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decepticons2



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:38 pm Reply with quote
some new agencies up in canada have stated that the 10% were still virtual images. Meaning computer generated. Its still ilegal though. No news I have seen has said there were any real pictures of real children involved.

Thats why it is three months and not a longer term.
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Triley



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:43 pm Reply with quote
decepticons2 wrote:
some new agencies up in canada have stated that the 10% were still virtual images. Meaning computer generated. Its still ilegal though. No news I have seen has said there were any real pictures of real children involved.

Thats why it is three months and not a longer term.


There were some real pictures. How many, I don't know. I haven't talked to Corey since this case started in November, and David wouldn't know.
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commsky



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:23 pm Reply with quote
People like that really do need a bit of serious help
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james438



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:24 pm Reply with quote
Even if they spent no time in jail their spending the rest of their life on a sex offender registry where they are not allowed to have many different jobs, are social outcasts, and can only live in certain locations away from most other people and have to live in fear for their lives from people who go online and discover that they are sex offenders and decide to take the law into their own hands to protect their children sounds rather harsh to me.

Shoot, I think I would prefer 20 years in prison compared to that!
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Animehermit



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:51 pm Reply with quote
Triley wrote:


There were some real pictures. How many, I don't know. I haven't talked to Corey since this case started in November, and David wouldn't know.

first, as a fellow new hampshirite i'm happy to see someone on the forums from my neck of the woods.

second, is there any sex offender status laws in Canada, like there is in the US? because is would suck tremendously if he had to register as a sex offender to boot.

third, sorry for what happened to your BF, heart goes out to you, really
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Lemoncookies23



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:59 pm Reply with quote
Virtual or animated anything shouldn't be illegal. If he does have pictures of real children, however, he should be nailed by the law (ah, puns).
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