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NEWS: Media Blasters Adds Queen's Blade, Ikkitousen Great Guardians


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DPX



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:49 pm Reply with quote
pparker wrote:
DPX wrote:
Those seasons can't be released yet due to the Geneon Japan merger,IIRC.

Never heard that reason before. What is that? Links? Info? Definitely interested.


It was from Funi. Geneon Japan is merging with Universal. So, essentially, all the second seasons from Geneon can't be licensed because the management, ect has to work their stuff out. WHo knows how long that will take...

Here is the topic from AoD:

http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=94656

more specifically:
http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php?p=1602283&postcount=102

Funi mentioned it at a panel, this guy was just summarizing what was said. hope it helps.
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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:55 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:
Except that QB and IT aren't "niche, otaku-oriented" shows. Because of all the nudity and sexy character renditions, they have far greater draw potential beyond diehard otaku crowds than fare like, say, any adaptation of a Key/Visual Art's production. That's a critical thing to appreciate here or this decision would, admittedly, make no sense.

Blind buys from casual anime fans with an eye for titillation may well be somewhat numerous when Queen's Blade reaches the shelves, provided the cover art manages to exhibit the most 'lucrative' of its assets. Providing a dub for this casual audience would therefore be sensible.
Mediocre it may be, but the series itself isn't plotless or unwatchable, and could well be the ideal addition to certain fantasy fans' shelves. After all, PVC figures of the characters have been quite popular for a while now.
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Mr. Anobe



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:16 am Reply with quote
My initial reaction to this license of Queen's Blade... Laughing

But given the number of titles MB have done in the past doesn't surprise me. Hell, sooner or later it probably ended up switched over to FUNi to finish what's left of it. Then again, I'm just bluffing.

Good for them, that's all I could say. Rolling Eyes
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zanarkand princess



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:55 pm Reply with quote
Rolling Eyes Of all the things to license and dub. I mean I knew it would be licensed (even before Toradora sadly) but a dub?
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yuna49



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:33 pm Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
Blind buys from casual anime fans with an eye for titillation may well be somewhat numerous when Queen's Blade reaches the shelves, provided the cover art manages to exhibit the most 'lucrative' of its assets.


I know of some young people who were unwilling to buy, or especially ask their parents to buy as gifts, the R1 release of Welcome to the NHK! precisely because of the cover art ADV chose. Anyone who bought volume one of that series expecting to see ecchi representations of Kashiwa in a leather bikini would have been sadly disappointed after watching the DVD. Of course, QB's content would match up with the cover art in this case, so it's quite a bit less deceiving than NHK's covers were. Still I'd hazard a guess that cover art can be an issue when you're selling to an audience that includes teens living at home.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:34 am Reply with quote
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And I don't see why dubs for this are so questionable. After all, most hentai titles officially released in North America still get dubbed, probably because viewers don't want to have their sex and nudity distracted from by having to read subtitles. (Personally, hentai is the one genre I specifically prefer subbed because the dubs are usually so bad, but that's beside the point.)


However some are good like Bible Black as well as Vampire Madonna,but better off subbed cause of that fact, and since both series are in the borderline of hentai especially season 2 of Queens Blade,most people are afraid the dub would suck. and there's also the fact that some people didn't like the dub of ikkitousen,though i like it a lot.

Hopefully the dubs will be ok that everyone would like it and from what i've read about the cast for Dragon Destiny and Great Guradians,it might be a passable dub. they might be the most interesting dub media blasters has licensed since samuari X.
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Jedi Master



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 am Reply with quote
yuna49 wrote:
I know of some young people who were unwilling to buy, or especially ask their parents to buy as gifts, the R1 release of Welcome to the NHK! precisely because of the cover art ADV chose.

The R1 Welcome to the NHK! covers were just awful and tacky. Anime dazed

Beyond teens, I know adults who enjoyed Ikkitousen and Najica BT but passed on WNHK just because of the covers. If I hadn't already been introduced to the show via the Newtype USA demo disk I probably would have dismissed WNHK as another Colorful, which also seemed awful and tacky.

yuna49 wrote:
Still I'd hazard a guess that cover art can be an issue when you're selling to an audience that includes teens living at home.

Based on screenshots I've seen online, QB does not seem suitable for a teen audience... Anime catgrin + sweatdrop

Seriously, if the screenshots I've seen are any indication, QB should be sold as a mature-audience-only title. To do otherwise would be socially irresponsible and would help validate the "Anime is all hentai" stereotype that otimus is against.
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Jedi Master wrote:
Seriously, if the screenshots I've seen are any indication, QB should be sold as a mature-audience-only title. To do otherwise would be socially irresponsible and would help validate the "Anime is all hentai" stereotype that otimus is against.


You're a good 15 years late to that. People already do only think of anime as Pokemon or cartoon porn. Nothing, nothing, nothing, will ever change that.
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zanarkand princess wrote:
Rolling Eyes Of all the things to license and dub. I mean I knew it would be licensed (even before Toradora sadly) but a dub?


Ugh, this is the kind of comment that makes Talkback pretty much useless in terms of a forum for intelligent discussion. It's impossible for me to tell if you are expressing a negative opinion because you have an objection to the material based on your personal taste or whether you think it is a poor business decision. People who think this is a poor business decision are implying that they have a better grasp of what will or will not sell than the people who are actually - you know - IN the business. I don't mind reading people's personal opinions on what they like or don't like, but these armchair business analysts can never usually back up their "thoughts" with anything concrete.
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:47 pm Reply with quote
Want concrete? How about the failure to produce a respectable expansion in viewership and the constant retraction over the past few years?

I don't know that we should treat them like they have the most brilliant minds when they aren't exactly doing particularly well.

I don't really understand disliking "armchair" anything. Politicians aren't doing a great job in your opinion? It makes sense that you'd have an opinion on that. Your favorite team loses because of a bad play or strategy? You can't think that it was faulty because you aren't professional?

The defense of "armchair" anything is that no one, including these miraculous business people are perfect. Now I'm not saying that anyone who has an opinion could go be an executive. There is a lot more to doing that than most of the "armchair" realize (and they know this, or they'd be out for that job). At the same time though, it doesn't mean that those people can't make mistakes and that it's impossible for people to realize what those mistakes are.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:06 pm Reply with quote
Hey, if you find the kind of post that goes: "I personally don't like Show X therefore Company Y's decision to dub it and release it is a stupid business decision" is rilly, rilly interesting and worthwhile, then knock yourself out. What can I say?
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Nemo_N



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:09 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
I don't mind reading people's personal opinions on what they like or don't like, but these armchair business analysts can never usually back up their "thoughts" with anything concrete.

Don't forget about amateur psychologists; those are pretty fun too.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:17 pm Reply with quote
Shows that sell well in the US anime market are usually something that more casual anime fans like. Which is the opposite of what the more hard core fans like. Even if some of those shows were dubbed they wouldn't sell well because the fans are already watching them subbed online, legally or illegally. Plus they would complain about things like picture quality, translation, fonts, and that "unnecessary extra" known as a dub track. And yes, that would probably suck, too. Also, I've noticed that a lot of the shows anime fans like don't always have English language titles. That used to not be the case and is also a barrier to sales.

As for the stuff that would sell, anime companies do little or nothing to promote such titles. Because they assume the market is too small and those in the mainstream would not watch it. This leads into the next and probably the biggest problem of all, anime is still niche. And now that's more true than it's ever been in a while. To be honest, most anime fans seem to like it that way which is also part of the problem. The other problems are American resistance to something foreign and the persistent idea that animation is for children and/or adult comedies.

Personally, I wish there was more of an effort made to educate people about anime. But no one even tries; you wouldn't really know that anime even existed much less what kind of shows there are, unless you visited an anime website. Oh, wait you'd have to know about or be interested in it to begin with. Yes, there's manga in the bookstores and a tiny amount of anime on tv but most people don't know what it's all about and there's no promotion outside the fandom. Of course, even if that all happened I wouldn't expect anime to be extremely popular. But I would like think that the fandom would increase enough to keep the industry afloat. But to be perfectly honest, in some ways I could see how it might be best to keep anime out of the mainstream especially given all the underage fanservice and the current child porn hysteria. (Course I realize that's probably one of many reasons.)

However, it's a shame more people don't know how awesome anime can be and maybe it would be worth a bit of opposition to be able to share that knowledge. As for me, it would be nice to not have to explain what anime is and that it's not all Pokemon and porn. I don't mind hentai and even watch some occasionally but it would help if "rated mature" didn't always equal sex and extreme violence. There's more to being an adult than just being able to look at porn.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:07 pm Reply with quote
Of all the atrocious things to dub...why did Media Blasters SERIOUSLY go for these ribald and horrid titles?!? Why are all these durned ecchi titles being licensed when there are so many other and much BETTER anime that deserve dubbing treatment (albeit Kamichama Karin, Natsume Yuujinchou, world masterpiece theater titles, Candy Candy, Amuri in Star Ocean, etc.)?!?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:28 pm Reply with quote
FireChick wrote:
Of all the atrocious things to dub...why did Media Blasters SERIOUSLY go for these ribald and horrid titles?!? Why are all these durned ecchi titles being licensed when there are so many other and much BETTER anime that deserve dubbing treatment (albeit Kamichama Karin, Natsume Yuujinchou, world masterpiece theater titles, Candy Candy, Amuri in Star Ocean, etc.)?!?


Because anyone with even a speck of brain matter knows that there's obviously an audience with these types of anime series and that audiences is probably going to be more mainstream due to the sex and voilence and would be more comfortable with dubs.

Blood- wrote:
Hey, if you find the kind of post that goes: "I personally don't like Show X therefore Company Y's decision to dub it and release it is a stupid business decision" is rilly, rilly interesting and worthwhile, then knock yourself out. What can I say?


I'm in totally agreement, there far too many armchair ceos to take much of the comments seriously. Don't give me wrong, it's ok not to like the output of a company but to try to says things like I see in this thread under the guise of "good business" is pretty stupid.
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