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NEWS: Media Blasters Adds Queen's Blade, Ikkitousen Great Guardians


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Ktimene's Lover



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:30 pm Reply with quote
If they do with singles for Queen's Blade, it would be best to have 5-8 per disc (My Astro Boy boxset has all 50 episodes on 5 discs. 10 episodes a disc is possible) rather 3 episodes per disc like they are doing with Moribito.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:31 pm Reply with quote
Wow. Vote with your wallet. I skipped Simoun due to lack of a dub. I was originally expecting to never get the remainder of Ikkitousen due to lack of dub but it looks like I'll be buying it now. Smile I was also surprised by the QB dub/license, but earlier posters did a good job explaining why I shouldn't have been.

Lost World was what old timers did before there was Karate-Champ/Street-Fighter. The QB anime is pure sexy fanservice. It's not moe, but similar in that it is designed to sell primarily on the appeal of the characters. I actually have the QB game books and an Airi figure, so I'll probably get the anime. The real irony with QB is that the anime is getting an official English release while the original game books are still imports with only online translations... Confused

Since someone earlier mentioned Lucky Star, I'll note that I bought the TV DVDs, enjoyed the dub, and was disappointed when the OAV went sub-only. I guess not enough people bought the TV series Region 1 DVDs, sending Bandai a message that Lucky Star OAV didn't deserve a dub. The anti-dub attitude often loudly proclaimed amongst my fellow fans doesn't help matters. Rolling Eyes

I voted with my wallet by not buying a sub-only Lucky Star OAV DVD.

Regarding shows that "deserve" to be dubbed, who determines this? I recently enjoyed watching Saki streamed here on ANN. I loved the show and enjoyed it even subbed. I never would have bought a sub-only release of it, but was glad I got the chance to watch an enjoyable series legally for free. Would I have blind-bought a series like that even if it were dubbed? I dunno. The character designs are nice, but not exceptional and the premise of "moejong" is a hard sell. Even a hardened dub-fan like myself has to admit that some series probably won't sell well enough for a company to take on the monetary risk of releasing a dub that flops. I might want an English dub of Saki to add to my DVD collection, but that doesn't mean anything if enough other fans aren't also interested.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:59 pm Reply with quote
Brass2TheMax wrote:
Decisions like this are what is killing the anime industry.


I agree with this, 100%.
It seems now that anime has fell out of it's few years of limelight in the US, now being betrayed by most outlets, studios are now ready and willing to bring back the stigma that anime is oversexed tripe.

We worked hard (Well, some of us did, anyways), to erase a lot of that old stigma from hentai and crap like Ninja Scroll :/

I will say this. I saw this, hoping, HOPING the general anime-base wouldn't be "Excited" for this, that one time, just maybe once, I wouldn't have to be disappointed in my fellow anime fans Sad
But nope! Never fails!

Just like when the subject of loli comes up, anime fans fail me Sad

I'm beginning to think I'm just out of touch with my fandom :/
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PlatinumHawke



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:01 am Reply with quote
otimus wrote:
It seems now that anime has fell out of it's few years of limelight in the US, now being betrayed by most outlets, studios are now ready and willing to bring back the stigma that anime is oversexed tripe.

We worked hard (Well, some of us did, anyways), to erase a lot of that old stigma from hentai and crap like Ninja Scroll :/


That old stigma ever left? Anime has never been anything other than porn and kid's stuff to the average person. Maybe it's different in other countries, but in the US and Canada that's how it is.

I hate to tell you, but if you think that these kinds of decisions are killing the industry, you are wrong. I don't know how fanservice-y Witchblade was, but it outsold Lucky Star, FMA and a lot of other stuff. I'm fairly certain that Shuffle! outsold Haruhi as well. Go check the ICv2 charts if you don't believe me.

No, this is what's supporting the industry.
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Jedi Master



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:05 am Reply with quote
otimus wrote:
It seems now that anime has fell out of it's few years of limelight in the US, now being betrayed by most outlets, studios are now ready and willing to bring back the stigma that anime is oversexed tripe.


Was it the outlets or the "fans" who did the betraying? I've met "fans" who refuse to buy official releases because they believed fansubs are better. The outlets are there to satisfy market demand. If the demand isn't there, then the outlets shouldn't be either.

otimus wrote:
We worked hard (Well, some of us did, anyways), to erase a lot of that old stigma from hentai and crap like Ninja Scroll :/


"Crap" like Ninja Scroll sparked interest in Anime back in the old days. It still has its fans today.

otimus wrote:
I will say this. I saw this, hoping, HOPING the general anime-base wouldn't be "Excited" for this, that one time, just maybe once, I wouldn't have to be disappointed in my fellow anime fans Sad
But nope! Never fails!


One of the great things about Anime is that it features a wide variety of genres targetted at a wide variety of age groups. It isn't all just Hentai just like it isn't all just Poke-crap. (I write this as someone who enjoyed Ash Ketchum's quest 2BA Master). There are those who think that mature entertainment should only be live-action while animation is just for kids. Anime is a great medium of artistic expression that has been praised by fans of mature entertainment for taking animation beyond the realm of stories for children.

otimus wrote:
Just like when the subject of loli comes up, anime fans fail me Sad


Anime fans are only human. Being an anime fan does not make one some paragon of morality. Quite the opposite, as anime has its share of anti-heroes and dark stories. While I'm not inclined to get into a full on discussion about loli, I will argue that this is one mature-audience genre better off staying animated than performed via live-action.

otimus wrote:
I'm beginning to think I'm just out of touch with my fandom :/


Well, you are. The fandom is diverse. This is one of its strengths and helps legitimize the medium of animation as a form of artistic expression and storytelling. You shouldn't expect to like all anime just like you shouldn't expect to like all live-action film.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:08 am Reply with quote
That post was beautiful, Jedi Master. Well said.
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animeboy12



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:15 am Reply with quote
otimus wrote:
Brass2TheMax wrote:
Decisions like this are what is killing the anime industry.


I agree with this, 100%.
It seems now that anime has fell out of it's few years of limelight in the US, now being betrayed by most outlets, studios are now ready and willing to bring back the stigma that anime is oversexed tripe.

We worked hard (Well, some of us did, anyways), to erase a lot of that old stigma from hentai and crap like Ninja Scroll :/

I will say this. I saw this, hoping, HOPING the general anime-base wouldn't be "Excited" for this, that one time, just maybe once, I wouldn't have to be disappointed in my fellow anime fans Sad
But nope! Never fails!

Just like when the subject of loli comes up, anime fans fail me Sad

I'm beginning to think I'm just out of touch with my fandom :/

Same with me, when I see post like these where it's basically another western fan yelling his/her grievances about how people with different tastes than them are ruining "their" fandom. If there's anything killing anime it's people who can't get over the fact that their opinion is not the standard. I'm seriously beginning to wonder whether or not some western fans realize that the anime industry that one of the key strengths of anime is that in covers a broad variety of genres
pparker wrote:

Queen's Blade buys will be one day when they are heavily discounted and I need something for free shipping Wink. I enjoy ecchi, but I need at least a decent story to go with it, certainly when it's that dramatic. As mentioned, QB seems like the purest of fan service--only made for game fans. Any success beyond that is just a bonus. The story didn't interest me enough to watch more than 3 eps of the first series, even though there's some excellent voice talent on board. Who knows though, maybe the dub will somehow actually make it better.

pparker, I have to implore you rewatch the series and plow through those, admittedly, bad three episodes because after that the story develops quite nicely, there's even quite a bit of tension and drama not found in your typical ecchi series and the animation in general really starts to improve. All this is taken to even greater heights in the new season.
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R.G.



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:16 am Reply with quote
Jedi Master wrote:
Wow. Vote with your wallet. I skipped Simoun due to lack of a dub. I was originally expecting to never get the remainder of Ikkitousen due to lack of dub but it looks like I'll be buying it now. Smile I was also surprised by the QB dub/license, but earlier posters did a good job explaining why I shouldn't have been.

Lost World was what old timers did before there was Karate-Champ/Street-Fighter. The QB anime is pure sexy fanservice. It's not moe, but similar in that it is designed to sell primarily on the appeal of the characters. I actually have the QB game books and an Airi figure, so I'll probably get the anime. The real irony with QB is that the anime is getting an official English release while the original game books are still imports with only online translations... Confused

Since someone earlier mentioned Lucky Star, I'll note that I bought the TV DVDs, enjoyed the dub, and was disappointed when the OAV went sub-only. I guess not enough people bought the TV series Region 1 DVDs, sending Bandai a message that Lucky Star OAV didn't deserve a dub. The anti-dub attitude often loudly proclaimed amongst my fellow fans doesn't help matters. Rolling Eyes

I voted with my wallet by not buying a sub-only Lucky Star OAV DVD.

Regarding shows that "deserve" to be dubbed, who determines this? I recently enjoyed watching Saki streamed here on ANN. I loved the show and enjoyed it even subbed. I never would have bought a sub-only release of it, but was glad I got the chance to watch an enjoyable series legally for free. Would I have blind-bought a series like that even if it were dubbed? I dunno. The character designs are nice, but not exceptional and the premise of "moejong" is a hard sell. Even a hardened dub-fan like myself has to admit that some series probably won't sell well enough for a company to take on the monetary risk of releasing a dub that flops. I might want an English dub of Saki to add to my DVD collection, but that doesn't mean anything if enough other fans aren't also interested.

Hear,hear!


I tend to agree.While I'm not sure about Queen's Blade,I might take a chance on Ikki Tousen.

Who knows?I Could check out Queen's Blade as well.
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Fallen Wings



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:48 am Reply with quote
Julia-the-Great wrote:
Immediately, I remember some of the emoticons Zac uses sometimes when reviewing new seasons of anime, particularly the one where the little face shoots himself in the head...

That's pretty much the same reaction I have towards this news.


Actually the first image in my mind was Zac throwing a computer and screaming BUT ... I doubt he will be stupid enough to allow his emotions to permanently destroy access to better shows.

Well i suppose- ACID MILK- that it is predictable that they would get it ...

Well America. I laugh at you and your Queen's Blade, while I sit back and watch my Genius Party and mock you all. Laughing
(Okay not all of genius party is good but the ones that are are brilliant ^^; )

*sigh* And Tousen? I bought the first disc of the first anime ages ago and I must say ... I hated that show. But then again, I'm logical and I can only hold out for so fan service and inappropriate clothing options. And as you can guess, I'm very selective with the anime I watch ...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:11 am Reply with quote
Look, I have no issue with the R1 companies for licensing or even dubbing terrible anime. It's a business. They should make smart business choices. I really really don't think this is a smart business decision.

I mean lets be honest. These shows are pretty much pornography. How many people are there that are going to be enticed into watching borderline cartoon porn by a dub? Generally, if you're into cartoon porn you're probably okay with subtitles. If you aren't into cartoon porn, you're probably not going to be swayed just because it's in English. Now I don't think this is any different from most of the other stuff that hasn't been dubbed lately (Ghost Hound being the main exception) which is why I'm cool with other stuff not being dubbed. That's where though it annoys me to see a dub for garbage like this that will sell worse if anything while fans of other better shows are stuck having to make do without because it's not feasible.

Jedi Master wrote:
Wow. Vote with your wallet. I skipped Simoun due to lack of a dub. I was originally expecting to never get the remainder of Ikkitousen due to lack of dub but it looks like I'll be buying it now. Smile I was also surprised by the QB dub/license, but earlier posters did a good job explaining why I shouldn't have been.


Here's what I find frustrating about this though. 'Vote with your wallet' doesn't work. It's entirely dependent on how they interpret it. If people skip a show because it doesn't get a dub and it sells poorly they may just go "See? That proves it wasn't popular enough". It may even discourage them from licensing similar shows at all. Also, if people boycott a show because it gets a dub but shouldn't they may just go "See? Even a show as popular as this didn't justify a dub so we definitely can't justify them for lesser releases".
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:57 am Reply with quote
Bout time ikki tousen gg and ikki, dragon comes out nov 25 or 24 i for get. but yay kick butt more anime to buy Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:28 am Reply with quote
PlatinumHawke wrote:

I hate to tell you, but if you think that these kinds of decisions are killing the industry, you are wrong. I don't know how fanservice-y Witchblade was, but it outsold Lucky Star, FMA and a lot of other stuff. I'm fairly certain that Shuffle! outsold Haruhi as well. Go check the ICv2 charts if you don't believe me.

No, this is what's supporting the industry.


Neglecting a whole lot of DragonBall, Naruto, and Afro Samurai there. Although Afro Samurai is something you could've used, as it's fairly fanservicey, and it's been the best selling anime release in the US whenever a new set of episodes is released.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:28 am Reply with quote
Fallen Wings wrote:

Well America. I laugh at you and your Queen's Blade, while I sit back and watch my Genius Party and mock you all. Laughing
(Okay not all of genius party is good but the ones that are are brilliant ^^; )

*sigh* And Tousen? I bought the first disc of the first anime ages ago and I must say ... I hated that show. But then again, I'm logical and I can only hold out for so fan service and inappropriate clothing options. And as you can guess, I'm very selective with the anime I watch ...

Well I certainly hope that selectiveness isn't a jusification for you taste somehow being better than everyone else

ikillchicken wrote:
Look, I have no issue with the R1 companies for licensing or even dubbing terrible anime. It's a business. They should make smart business choices. I really really don't think this is a smart business decision.

Not that I'm trying to make this personally but I don't think any of us are in a position to decide whether or not their decision is bad on the basis of good business practice
ikillchicken wrote:

I mean lets be honest. These shows are pretty much pornography. How many people are there that are going to be enticed into watching borderline cartoon porn by a dub? Generally, if you're into cartoon porn you're probably okay with subtitles. If you aren't into cartoon porn, you're probably not going to be swayed just because it's in English. Now I don't think this is any different from most of the other stuff that hasn't been dubbed lately (Ghost Hound being the main exception) which is why I'm cool with other stuff not being dubbed. That's where though it annoys me to see a dub for garbage like this that will sell worse if anything while fans of other better shows are stuck having to make do without because it's not feasible.

Not really sure what you mean by "fans of other better shows" unless of course your using your opinion as a standard and think company should dub anime you want them to.

Also while sexual content is the main attraction and recurring theme in both of these anime series, labeling as such is baseless. Take it from someone who's actually watched and is keeping up with both as most people who criticize haven't watched much of it or any at all. These series have character development and an overarching storyline like most anime series. What you think of those things is up to you but they're there, not just sexual content.
ikillchicken wrote:

Here's what I find frustrating about this though. 'Vote with your wallet' doesn't work. It's entirely dependent on how they interpret it. If people skip a show because it doesn't get a dub and it sells poorly they may just go "See? That proves it wasn't popular enough". It may even discourage them from licensing similar shows at all. Also, if people boycott a show because it gets a dub but shouldn't they may just go "See? Even a show as popular as this didn't justify a dub so we definitely can't justify them for lesser releases".

true but most of the time companies either translate it into "if it sell, more it" or "if doesn't, less of it". I'm sure there are many interpretations you could make but companies go where the money is.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:04 am Reply with quote
A lot of people complaining about how these shows got dubs and others haven't need to remember that different companies do things differently. Don't bitch pointlessly about how ecchi titles like this got a dub from company A while others from Companies b & C didn't. Write a letter to companies B & C and tell them, politely, how you are discouraged and disheartened how quality titles being brought over are not being given a dub while other more mediocre titles are. Do something constructive other then bitching mindlessly about how every company doesn't just do everything the way you think they should and that they should all burn because they don't. That just shows your own stupidity and ignorance.

As for the titles themselves why is anyone surprised? I honestly am surprised Ikki Tousen DD isn't already on shelves here. And truth be told while it is heavy with the sexual fanservice Ikki Tousen's plot actually picks up mid way through the manga. As in it starts to have a real one and actually is not a bad one at that. As for Queen's Blade....sex sells end of story and this title is pretty much soft core.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:18 am Reply with quote
animeboy12 wrote:
I have to implore you rewatch the series [QB] and plow through those, admittedly, bad three episodes

Thanks, I do still have it and will take another look when I get a chance. The ecchi was a bit over the top as well (I'm not big on fluids in my anime), but I was interested initially because I like the original art from the game and figured they could come up with a solid story from that much game universe.

As people mentioned, IT does have a good story in addition to the ecchi, so that's what I was hoping from QB.

ikillchicken wrote:
I really really don't think this is a smart business decision.

I wondered about that myself, because of the dub. But I assume they have access to actual sales numbers for the first season of IT, which itself got multiple releases. That would indicate that the title was profitable. Also, interest remains high in the U.S. for the franchise. Newer, better DVD-sub versions are still coming out for Guardians, and several generations of DD came out. I imagine that anyone who liked and bought the first season will buy the remaining ones as well.

Queen's Blade, I'm not as certain, but it's probably a good bet since the audience demographic matches precisely. They can count on a certain volume based on that.

And regardless of genre, dubbing does increase sales. Pure sub fans can say they have their fansubs, so they have a choice. Dub fans don't (unless they are really criminal and download R1 rips).
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