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JohnnySake



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:34 am Reply with quote
Interesting article and subject matter.

Just like any genre, shows with yuri themes may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they certainly add a different spin to the story. Simoun and Maria Watches Over Us are a couple of my favorite shows and any yuri aspects to them just adds a little spice to them, the stories in the shows themselves are what really provide the draw to me.

I am surprised to read so much chat about Mai-hime. I liked the show but never really put that much thought into it. It sounds like a rewatch while keeping the posters' comments in mind could be enjoyable.

Thanks for a good discussion!
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LordPrometheus





PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:24 am Reply with quote
vashfanatic wrote:

At Kyaa:
I agree that Mai Hime focused a lot more on the characters than this writer gives it credit (some episodes left not a dry eye to be seen in my anime club), but it is undeniably heavy on the fan service, and the yuri angle relies on more cliches (including the notorious psycho lesbian) than it does on really developing their sexualities. I wouldn't really consider it a yuri series for precisely that reason.


I would agree with your assessment for the most part. I wouldn't consider it a yuri series either. The yuri elements did seem to be more there for fanservice purposes, but I did appreciate how it actually played a role in the plot. As opposed to My Otome, which just went way overboard on the whole "everybody's a lesbian!" angle and became cheap and annoying.

Also yes, I agree that Hime was much more character driven than the interviewee gave it credit for. Despite its flawed and predictable ending spoiler[(everyone should have stayed dead, imo)], overall Mai Hime was a very enjoyable show whose strengths outshone its flaws.
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thefuturemrsuzumaki



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:09 pm Reply with quote
I'm glad that there is finally an article about yuri! This could be used to show that it's not weird for a non-lesbian girl to read/watch a yuri like Maria Watches Over Us or Strawberry Panic!

Some people are afraid that if they watch it, they might be labelled as weird. Personally, as a girl, I enjoy watching yuri series like Maria Watches Over Us. Just because it's yuri doesn't mean that it's pornographic material or only for boys.
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agila61



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:28 pm Reply with quote
Kimiko_0 wrote:
Yah, the term 'yuri' is a little too broad to be useful.


Useful for what, though? Sometimes all that the perfect pigeonhole does it tell you that you've seen the same story before, and often done better than the current go-round.

The best shows with yuri tend to be the ones that women like. If a show with yuri mostly attracts teenage boys, that does not bode well, since (as I dimly recall from being a teenage boy sometime in the previous century) teenage boys are idiots.
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elreicht



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:49 pm Reply with quote
This is a good article, IMO.

I guess I'll be able to show this article to my friends who don't get what I'm talking about when I say yuri.

Sasameki Koto is a very decent title and reference for yuri, again IMO.

Thanks to Bamboo, Erica and Casey for having this topic discussed in COA.
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vashfanatic



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:48 pm Reply with quote
LordPrometheus wrote:
The yuri elements did seem to be more there for fanservice purposes, but I did appreciate how it actually played a role in the plot. As opposed to My Otome, which just went way overboard on the whole "everybody's a lesbian!" angle and became cheap and annoying.


What is this "My Otome" you speak of? Any true fan of My-Hime knows there was no crappy spinoff series and certainly no abominable manga adaptation! Wink
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pachy_boy



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:01 pm Reply with quote
vashfanatic wrote:
What is this "My Otome" you speak of? Any true fan of My-Hime knows there was no crappy spinoff series ...


Believe it or not, some fans prefer the spin-off over the original, a couple of reasons being there is no cosmic-reset ending and the deaths are meaningful. I for one just liked seeing interesting new angles of the same characters in this alternative world.
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Hikari06



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:36 pm Reply with quote
Kimiko_0 wrote:
Yah, the term 'yuri' is a little too broad to be useful. I follow Erica's blog because it's the only blog that focuses on yuri, but I don't find it very useful because of this shallow definition.


While Erica's blog is the undisputed "mother ship" of yuri blogs, if you go to the links section of the Yuricon website, you'll see several yuri blogs listed.

This interview, btw, was great. Very Happy
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vashfanatic



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:09 pm Reply with quote
pachy_boy wrote:
vashfanatic wrote:
What is this "My Otome" you speak of? Any true fan of My-Hime knows there was no crappy spinoff series ...


Believe it or not, some fans prefer the spin-off over the original, a couple of reasons being there is no cosmic-reset ending and the deaths are meaningful. I for one just liked seeing interesting new angles of the same characters in this alternative world.


Yeah, the cosmic reset was idiotic (though it could have worked if they'd hinted that the whole thing was possible earlier on...), but the negatives of My-Otome - for me, at least - outweigh everything positive about. The obnoxious new lead, the overload of lesbian fan service, the unbelievable squick of Nina and her foster father... the list goes on and on. I'm definitely in the "pretend it never happened" camp.
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jack messiah



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:34 am Reply with quote
so yaoi fans are homogenous and mai-hime fans are the lowest common denominator? wow. thanks.
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Hikari06



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:18 am Reply with quote
jack messiah wrote:
so yaoi fans are homogenous and mai-hime fans are the lowest common denominator? wow. thanks.

You're putting words into her mouth and arguing against a non-existent statement. She never said that fans of Mai-Hime are the lowest common denominator, only that certain elements of MH (i.e. the service) are meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator of fans- she has stated on her own blog that she likes Mai-Hime and considers it a good series. (I love Mai-Hime, by the way.) As for your other issue with this interview- Erica said that yaoi/BL is intended for a female audience, while yuri is marketed towards both women and men. Guys obviously can and do enjoy yaoi/BL titles (power to them if they do), but right now Japanese publishers aren't publishing yaoi/BL with them in mind- that's simply how it works. (Although as Erica pointed out, intended demographics don't really mean much, since people enjoy series aimed at multiple demographics.)
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ParagonDoD



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:12 pm Reply with quote
I love yuri. Most of it, especially pure yuri, seems to be concentrated in manga form. Octave is great, as is the short Strawberry Sweet Shake. Aoi Hana is not bad but the schoolgirl aspect kind of turns me off.

The article was pretty short this time around, not much to it. . .will there be a part 2? Maybe going into the psyches of the fans the way it's been done with yaoi fans?
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genman



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:21 pm Reply with quote
I've been reading Tsubomi (Japanese only), which is a yuri anthology of mostly stand-alone stories. I've been really liking it. I hope some company brings it over, or at makes some effort to publish some of the artists in it.

To me, Yuri is Super Shoujo. I'm not sure how to explain that...
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darkchibi07



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:10 am Reply with quote
ParagonDoD wrote:

The article was pretty short this time around, not much to it. . .will there be a part 2? Maybe going into the psyches of the fans the way it's been done with yaoi fans?


Considering with that diverse definition of yuri that's being presented, I would imagine the psyche would be as diverse as well especially if we include those who just thinks girl-on-girl is hot but still prefers some guy joining in, Rolling Eyes
Though I wonder if squealing fangirls over yuri acts done by girls actually exist in real life.

The one thing that seems to be prevalent recently is how the heck girls-love gets equated with "pure love"?
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rinmackie



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:27 pm Reply with quote
Excellent question, darkchibi07! Being a fervent yaoi fan who likes both smut and a good story, I was trying to refrain from posting since my opinion isn't relevant but you just provided an opening. This article talked mainly about a female appreciation of yuri. The males who like it for hot girl-on-girl action were acknowledged only in passing.

And we know, even though this is 2009, girls aren't supposed to be into that dirty sex stuff. Yes, we can have it and look at, but it's supposed to be about the emotion of being in love and embracing our mutual sisterhood. Any female is likes sex for the sake of sex is a .. well I can't say it but you know what I mean. Wink

And yes, I'm being sarcastic. Now cue all the you-just-don't-get-it-why-do-you-post-here responses. In three, two, one...
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