Forum - View topicHey, Answerman! [2009-12-18]
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Anton Chigurh
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I recognize FMA, but what are the other series in the Rie webcomic?
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poonk
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kyokun703
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The first one is Taiga from Toradora, the second, I believe is Nagi from Hayate the Combat Butler. Don't know the rest. |
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Kalessin
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The third and fifth one are both Shana from Shakugan no Shana, though I believe that the fifth one is the "Shana-tan" version - that is the chibi version who's about the size of your hand which they use in the Shana-tan comedy extras. And with that, stereotypical aspects of the character are stressed even more (for comedic effect), so if they annoy you to begin with, you're likely to get that much more irritated. |
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Kalessin
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Actually, what I was wondering was who the three guys in the comic were. I'm not that well informed about the Japanese seiyuu in general, but I definitely don't recognize their faces. Rie Kugimiya is big enough that I know who she is (and I think that she's one of the few Japanese actors whose voice I'd recognize), but I wouldn't have had a clue that that photo was of her if it hadn't said so.
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darkchibi07
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Have you heard of Shana from Shakugan no Shana? |
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belvadeer
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Poor Bob (rest his soul), he'd be so sad to hear people don't like his son's voice acting. The first time I heard Bryce was as Jack in Radiata Stories. Granted it would be unfair to compare him to Junko Takeuchi, who made Jack very loud in the Japanese version, especially during his Volty Blasts, but I think he did a good job of making Jack sound like the little stupid smart aleck that he was. The next time I heard him was as Jack (haha, there's a pattern) in MaR's dub. He wasn't bad in that show either. Following that, it was as Levin in Wild Arms XF. And I didn't realize that was him voicing Vash as a child in Trigun until I listened again. Considering Bryce still doesn't have a lot of roles in comparison to his father, I think he'll get better with time.
Wow, this entire voice actor debate here reminds me there's something similar going on with Johnny Bosch and Brian Beacock being ripped on at GameFAQs for their roles in Tales games. Last edited by belvadeer on Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:53 am; edited 1 time in total |
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kyokun703
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Yes, I've heard of the anime, but it's not within my anime interests, which is why I didn't recognize the character. |
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teh*darkness
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Hilarious... I hear people complain about Kugimiya all the time as doing nothing but tsundere, but after looking at the featured series, I now see why I don't get the hate. I haven't watched any of those!
Now I guess the problem is, you people are watching the wrong anime. If you don't like Kugimiya Rie, then stop watching anime with tsunderes, since apparently that's all she does, aside from Alphonse (which, coincidentally, is the only role I've heard her in out of all the ones mentioned above). And as someone else said, I'm wholly amazed that every single response didn't at least mention Jonny Yong Bosch in passing, if not complain about him outright. He was like, THE voice actor to hate on less than two years ago, along with Vic. (Poor Vic... I love you as Edward, and you fooled me as Madarame. And you sing that One Piece theme so well, keep up the good work.) But for me, the only voice actor/seiyuu that really grinds my gears is Kira Vincent-Davis, as she is about 90% responsible for my utter dislike and horror at ever contemplating watching an ADV dub. There was just something about her voice, that horrible southern drawl she did for every role that I heard her voice, that made my brain melt and my ears bleed. Which made me pleasantly surprised when Gin in Bleach didn't sound like a Texas hick, just because his Japanese voice was Osakan. Thank you, Viz, for taking a hint from the fans. /end extended late rant/response
And I'd like to know this as well. I pretty much buy only Blu-Rays nowadays (except for anime, obviously), and recently found Little Nemo on DVD for $8 and snatched it up without a thought, as it was one of my favorite movies as a child. I watched it soon after and still found it just as enjoyable. Why all this hate? |
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Prede
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Wow more Steven Foster complaints? Will that ever die, will it
 ? Look the guy has directed some truly amazing dubs, from (ADV's ) 5 Centimeters Per Second (one of my all time favorites!!) to Le Chevalier D'Eon . There's really no need to keep bagging on the guy. Ok so Orphen was a little liberal, come on now. It's still a good dub. There are many other dubs that have been much looser then the Foster stuff  , and they really get no crazy outcry either. I'll take the dubs of Pani Poni Dash! , Red Garden, and This Ugly Yet Beautiful World over most other dubs out there anyday. I really like a Foster dub, he knows how to get great performances out of his actors. Why do people keep bringing this stupid thing up? Especially since the guy says he's not a big dub fan. Well then why bother in the first place? 
Anyway other then that, this was an interesting Answerman. I liked the question on the different directors of shows. I find some of the the technical stuff very interesting, although it can get confusing. I pretty much knew all the stuff about the directors already, but it's nice to see I'm not off base or anything lol. How can anime save its self? Uh...take the proffits from their latest show and buy a lot of lotto tickets. They'd have a better chance with that .  Really though it's not an easy task, and saying "ah make more FMA type shows" is nice, but that's only part of the equation. People have to actually like the show, people have to want to buy it, and it's gotta get well known. It helps if the show is good too, but of course quailty does not equal sales, sadly. They could make a ton of FMA copy cat shows, but I wonder if they would sell. Yes they need to make shows that appeal to a wider audience then say Kanon (excuse me for being a few years behind...lol. I can't really speak for K-on since I haven't seen that), but making shows have wide apeal is more of an art then a science, and it takes a bit of luck, and it's always a gamble. Why bet on making the next Cowboy Bebop or FMA (two shows that have mass appeal, and one makes me wonder why) when you can play it safe and make an otuku show that WILL sell, at least to Japan decently to keep you in buisness? (I'm not saying one type of show is better then the other btw). Why bet the farm on coming up with the next FMA when you can make a show that you KNOW will proffit? If the situation wasn't as bad as it is, they'd have more leg room to mess around and make some shows like that. But currently that's a little tough.
So yes, yes yes. They do need to make some more shows that have wider appeal. But I wonder if they should at this time? Timing is a big for this, and if they time this wrong it's not going to be pretty. I think for the next year or two at the very least it's best to stick to making the next Kanon then trying to make anime big again. It's way too early. Maybe once everything is called down a bit, they could go back to more shows like that, but I'm not sure about trying to make those kinds of shows right now. Yuki_Kun45: I too really don't really want there to be more shows like FMA, only because I don't like that type of show. I think your right on the money with your opinion of the show. Sums up how I feel pretty much. Of course my opinion is the odd one out in regards to this at least. But I still do kinda wish there would be a few more of those "wider appeal" shows to at least support the industry out today. Even though I don't like those types of shows, I can't deny that they sell well and that's always a good thing. So yes on one hand I want there to be more of them out there to hold up the industry, but there better be other stuff too. Like I already said, a few years down the road, they should try for the bigger shows again. Even though I don't like some of those types of shows, it does help the industry, which helps me too  .
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LordByronius
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have you actually tried to watch it lately? it's mostly Nemo saying "YIPPEE!!" with his squirrel-buddy who wears goggles. such a lifeless and infuriatingly dull movie. anyway. as for my "we need more FMA!" comments: i wasn't specifically saying that we need FMA "copycat" shows. i said that we need shows that have "interesting stories, solid characters, and stylish animation." that also applies to dozens of other shows. shows like Evangelion, Samurai Champloo, whatever else. we need more shows like that. shows with a purpose beyond giving hardcore otaku in Japan new characters to draw pornographic doujinshi of. which will keep the show popular until they find the *next* horrible pile of anime cliches to call mai waifu. then it will fade into obscurity and nobody will care. those shows are, quite literally, masturbatory. i always feel like i am ill-qualified to be considered an "anime fan" because i understand that every other "anime fan" weeaboo-whatever relates very heavily to all these moe-fests. and when i watch them, i find them completely unrelatable. to me they are completely impenetrable. it's like, trying to read Twilight if you're not a teenage girl. it doesn't make any sense. you sort of understand *why* it's popular within its demographic, but that's it. people love to say that anime is more "diverse" than other forms of animation, but really it's not. if you're looking for a new anime show to watch from this newest TV season that isn't poorly-animated Shonen garbage or something based off of either a dating sim or a porn game, you're out of luck. if that's what you're looking for, great! because you're not going to get that sort of narrow geek-targeting specificity from american cartoons. and those shows don't need to go away - absolutely not. there's a place in any medium for any number of genres, even if the public at large finds them boring, stupid, or repulsive. but what anime lacks is a significant component of truly well-done, character-driven, well-animated product that speaks to more than just the otaku contingent. and that product could be anything. FMA was just the best example i could think of. |
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Etrien
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Rie Kugimiya voices a non-tsundere main character in Umineko no Naku Koro ni.
It's...not too great. Then again, I have a general dislike for overly high-pitched, unrealistically "cutesy" voices on adult women. But, it doesn't make me cringe, so I'll give it that. Also... I wonder if Brian'll get an influx of pictures next week? We can hope! |
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Prede
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LordByronius: Yeah I didn't mean FMA copycats, sorry about that. I just meant shows that hit a wider appeal. I was just getting tired of writing all that out. And to do that is much harder then it seems. It's quite easy to say "hey do this", but it's an entirely different thing to do it. And apparently the whole "bigger" shows thing didn't pan out well. The bunch of flops for titles like Coyote Ragtime Show (etc), which really looked like something that might have a bigger appeal, is what lead to them relying on "moe shows" as you call them. Also the whole downfall of the R1 industry...but that conversation is for another day. Because if it did, they never would have gone back to making shows aimed squarely at the Japanese Otaku. But they're the only ones putting up the money, so they get what they want. And by trying to make some more shows like Samurai Champloo or something else with wider appeal, you have to wonder if it will sell. Theres a chance it may not, a big one in this type of market. So it's much safer to rely on the proven seller.
So what I'm trying to say is, yes they need to make shows like that again. But it's not really the right time for that, sadly. Going out and making a bunch of shows they think could have mass appeal at this time, well I don't see it working. It might even do them some harm. Perhaps it's best for them to make a few moe shows, until some time passes, things get better all over, and stuff. Because I really don't think "now" is the time for these studios to try and expand the fanbase. It's best to make what they know will sell, then go out on a limb and make a show that could do really well, or sell nothing. Last edited by Prede on Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:53 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Reaper gI
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How could the comic miss Louise Françoise Le Blanc de La Vallière, that's the other one that fits the typecast perfectly.
She does play other roles too Kagura (gintama), or Shanon (Umineko no Naku Koro ni) for example. As regards to issues with the type of shows the industry produces; they tend to ere towards safety in terms of guaranteed sales. In this case aiming shows solely at hardcore otaku and tageting very specificaly, rather that even attempting to reach a wider audience. In the current financial climate they don't want to take a big risk in trying another type of show that may gather wide audience or a foreign (western) market but not sell to otaku so well. |
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giascle
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Well that was an unexpected outburst. Also, I'd have to disagree with the anime-not-being-diverse part. Sure, it's not an endless sea of brilliant ideas, and moe shows sure aren't helping, but look at the range between those and FMA or Evangelion. Just because there are countless ripoffs in a certain subgenre, that doesn't mean everything outside of that niche suddenly stopped existing. Also, sex and violence still haven't been handled seriously in Western animation (independent films are of course not relevant here; they're not on TV), with only Justice League getting close as far as I remember. And don't get me started on psychological thrillers. |
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