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ikillchicken
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Generally I'd agree but in this case it's probably a worthwhile exception. I mean at this point I think most people know what DBZ is like. It's been released many times and there are a million reviews out there. It's probably more worthwhile to focus on this particular set's packaging and extras. Besides, it's not like she doesn't clarify all the reasons one might not like DBZ. Overall it's a perfectly effective review. In the end, DBZ is going to be downright perishable to some. If you are into it though, the Dargon Box is pretty much the definition of Shelf Worthy. Splitting the difference and calling it a rental is the least applicable though. |
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Cheesecracker
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I think i get your point but, I don't think I would say it's technically a trilogy. If you could say that it would feel like a 3 movie re-cap and a 4th tacked on then I would be more prone to agree. As a remix, it's not waiting til end to add the new stuff. I saw the second movie and had a hard time staying oriented as my mind kept trying to find a familiar (TV)story thread and it (movie2) just wouldn't conform(Not that I wanted it all to be the same, just sayin'). It's not the same story. Essentially? Maybe? I wonder how much will have changed by the time the 3rd movie rolls out? I'd think all the new stuff would prove to feel like a waste if they did not have some profound effect on the way it develops. Mainly, I just hope it 'works'. Ideally, by the time the fourth move arrives, it will feel like a new coherency exists to where it(the 4th movie) feels like a natural extension. Also, given that there are 2 prior stabs at ending this, what is considered the 'story proper'? The end of the TV series or it plus the movie(s)(one also being mostly re-cap) that followed? Never mind the director's cuts. 
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Sceleris
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Although I don't really know what questions were asked (examples, please?), perhaps the retort would be "but it's not supposed to be seen on its own." As Captain Crotchspike writes, it's a series of movies, and maybe the first one shouldn't be expected to give all the answers. I don't think that ending with a preview for the next movie is just a simple gimmick or promotion, but perhaps also a way of saying "maybe you don't get it now, but remember, this is just the beginning". And I think most newcomers get that -- the most negative views I've seen come from those who compare it to the TV series. (Me, I thought 1.0 was pretty cool, albeit somewhat rushed.) Seeing as how this lack of episodic self-containment was in the original, I don't really agree with it making the movies a bad remake -- it's the Evangelion storytelling style. Of course, you can say that it's a bad creative choice when the movies come out a couple of years apart, but I don't think that means they are meant for former fans only. I'd rather think they want to instill the "what's going on? What'll happen next?" feeling of the TV series into a new audience. Like making viewers unable to put each movie behind them and forgetting them in order to pack a punch in the end. Still, the most important question is: did your friends enjoy the movie, sensible or not, and do they want to see more? |
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Big Hed
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Good point; taken as a whole, Rebuild is supposed to be radically different. But the "essence" of the original is also supposed to run through the first three movies... but... I don't know, this is largely a discussion of semantics, I think. It all depends on where you draw the line between original and derivative.
Er, right. Maybe a Wikipedia like would've been helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelion_Rebuild . Look under the "Film Titles" section. |
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belvadeer
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Eugene? Snow leopard? Heh, this was almost close to being a Tales of Rebirth coincidence. If Mustafa was a panther, then I would say something. But why does it have to be a snow leopard? I want a regular leopard! 
You know, even though I loathe DBZ more than any other anime today, I am willing to debate its technical points, if it has any at all. I have to agree about the comparison of the plot to a soap opera, half the time they were wasting scenes on pointless things happening. |
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Cheesecracker
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Oops, sorry about that. More so, I find that additional comments I thought to make would be more of the same. (ie. 'Wouldn't it be 'where *they(Gainax)* draw the line between original and derivative?' and 'by *original* do you mean original-new or original-old and wouldn't derivative be new having been based on the old but make it like the old or is that derivative in the general sense ?) just kidding I suck 
Thanks for the link, interesting stuff. This caught my eye... From the wiki: Another stated intention of this series is for it to be much more understandable and accessible to non-fans than the original TV series and films were. "non-fans" I thought the fans *were* the ones having trouble. 
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erinfinnegan
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I don't get a choice. |
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Kirikiri23
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That's kinda depressing |
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sunflower
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Hanasakeru Seishonen is a good shoujo anime, based on a good shoujo manga. One of the things the reviewer disparages the anime about is a lack of action, and too much talking. It sounds like the complaint of someone who prefers shounen to shoujo. Women's works do tend to focus more on emotion and talking than the average male-centric story, and that doesn't make them bad, just not the reviewer's cup of tea.
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Big Hed
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lol, well I guess you could say that Rebuild is meant to attract people who otherwise wouldn't have understood at all.
I think the point is more that anime that are all dialogue and no action are in general kind of pointless; like reading manga in color, almost (though obviously colored manga would be nice). |
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gunshottrigun
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What a pleasant surprise to have my shelves on Shelf Life haha! When I sent them in and hadn't seen them for a while, I completely forgot I submitted those images.
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Quark
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Not necessarily. There are a lot of anime in my collection that are all dialogue, and no action, but the animation in them is far from pointless. Something like Paradise Kiss for example, works well, as the character and clothing designs used in the manga are absolutely gorgeous, and look absolutely stunning when they're moving. In my mind, those clothes (especially Yukari's dress)wouldn't look anywhere as wonderful in real life as they did as drawings. The Key moe anime are very light to non-existent in the action department, but benefit from being animated, as the girls are insanely cute, and it would be hard to find actresses who are as absurdly cute. I can understand what you're saying, that animated is suited nicely to action, however, you can have a dialogue-packed story, with no action, that can still act as eye-candy. Also, I for one, quite enjoy coloured manga panels. They're very pretty to look at. |
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Kirikiri23
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Well done on your collection |
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russ869
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My bad. Do you dislike Shonen Jump anime in general? Because I don't think Dragon Ball Z is really much different from any other show in that category. They all pretty much have the same stereotypical structuring issues. DBZ just has a much more ingrained history of hate surrounding it. (Hate for the dub, hate for the sub, hate for the franchise in its entirety...) |
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erinfinnegan
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I started to write a longer reply saying how I'm not too cool to admit that I like DBZ, but then I didn't post it... Basically, I got into DBZ when it was on Cartoon Network, and I started tuning in for the two episodes a day to see if Frieza would really die this time or not, as each concurrent title promised. In the 10-13 years since then, I've seen a lot more anime, and my time has become a lot more valuable (paid by the hour, freelancing, being older, etc.). For me, DBZ is no longer a fascinating gateway into anime fandom, rather, I couldn't shake the feeling that I was wasting my life watching it. I like the original Dragonball quite a bit, but even watching that last month I kind of felt like my time would be better spent reading the manga. I like Toriyama's designs a lot, and I loved the one-shot manga Cowa!. I do rather enjoy the Shonen Jump structure, I just don't have as much time for filler as I used to. I love Naruto, but only episodes 30-85. Hikaru No Go is one my favorite things ever. |
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