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Anton Chigurh



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:33 pm Reply with quote
Did... Did FLCL really flop in Japan? That's a new one for me. I loved loved loved that show to death - I've been meaning to re-watch it someday, but I can't find the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:53 pm Reply with quote
Apparently, a lot of shows that flopped or had mild reception in Japan do really well here. Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Trigun, and Baccano! to name a few.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:16 pm Reply with quote
You gotta appreciate Brian's cojones. I don't think anyone out there could really stand to answer questions about anime vs. cartoons every week and not commit suicide. My hats off to you!
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Copyrighted Name



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:21 pm Reply with quote
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Now I know people would immediately shout that Sailor Moon is everywhere


No it's not. Nothing Sailor Moon-related has been released in the US since 2005 to my knowledge and the licenses to both the manga and all of the anime (barring Sailor Stars, obviously) have lapsed.

... Which helps your argument, sooooo... good for you? Question
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:29 pm Reply with quote
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Now I know people would immediately shout that Sailor Moon is everywhere


WHERE? In my experience, Sailor Moon is scary hard to find, especially in the ADV uncut sets (which, go figure, are the ones I want.) Heck, it's hard to find any of the "classic" magical girl shows these days. My little sister is in love with Saint Tail (sub-only, even) and Princess Tutu, and it bugs me that I can't share series that I liked when I was younger, like Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura, with her.

So yeah, I'm totally feeling the "NEEDS MORE MAGICAL GIRLS" sentiment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:33 pm Reply with quote
Agreed with most of the Answerfans' responses. We probably don't have much seinen because anime has yet to develop much of an academic crowd see anime conventions for more information :p
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Salsaman1991



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:40 pm Reply with quote
FeralKat wrote:
Apparently, a lot of shows that flopped or had mild reception in Japan do really well here. Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Trigun, and Baccano! to name a few.


Baccano failed? It was an awesome thrill ride set in the camorra-dominated 1930s! How can someone not like that?

Also, Captain Tsubasa in Latin America can be summed up in three words: ¡tiro con chanfleee! Seriously, that's about everything I remember about it.... I wish there were more channels broadcasting anime in latin america. Animax, which should be solely dedicated to anime, isn't. It has some really lame live-action shows (not bashing live-action TV, these particular shows are crappy) whenever I turn it on. I forgive the channel because it showed xxxHolic and Death Note, but there's really not much else (other than eternal Eva reruns). And Cartoon Network only shows Naruto, so....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:53 pm Reply with quote
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That's... mostly English. But it's right there. Just say it like you would in English, and you'll be ok.


It's about half-English. To be exact, it's one syllable of English (as we reckon things), bracketed by two Japanese syllables, so maybe more like one-third English. (The other argument I've seen is that it's really the English word "trouble," just written really weirdly.)

Complicating the situation, one of those Japanese syllables, "To," looks just like an English word, which is pronounced differently -- like "two" or "too," instead of "toe" or "toga." I wish the official title had a hyphen there ("To-Love-Ru") so it'd be clearer.

Now, let's look at the Japanese Wikipedia's article on FLCL:

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その一方で本作品はOVAのみのリリースであったため、同じガイナックスが製作に携わった『新世紀エヴァンゲリオン』と比較すると日本国内での知名度は低い(ただしこれは『新世紀エヴァンゲリオン』が稀有な大ヒット作品である点を考慮する必要がある)。しかし日本国外の市場ではかなりの成功を収めており、特にアメリカなどでは人気・知名度共に高いアニメ作品の一つである。これはアメリカのアニメ専門チャンネル、カートゥーンネットワークで英語吹き替え版がシリーズ放映された事が大きい[1]。また、カナダのモントリオールで開催される国際映画祭、ファンタジア映画祭において2003年度アニメーション部門で銅賞を受賞している[2]。

『FLCL』には挿入歌が多くあり、かつ印象的、効果的な使い方がされていることも特徴。これら挿入歌とテーマ曲は一部を除き全てthe pillowsが担当した。日本国外での『FLCL』の人気は、the pillowsの、日本国外での知名度をも高めることとなった。


Which Google translates as:

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While this work is to OVA release was only helped to produce the same 『Evangelion Gainax』 known in Japan is low compared with (which, however Evangelion 『a』 rare blockbuster need to consider the works). But in markets outside of Japan are quite successful, especially in the United States and is one of the most popular animated high-visibility both. This is an American animated dedicated channel,CartoonBig thing the series was broadcast in English Dubbed[1]. AlsoCanadaOfMontrealInternational Film Festival to be held inFantasia Film FestivalIn2003Has been awarded the Bronze Award for Best Animated degree[2]。

『FLCL, by comparison with many insert songs, and impressive features that are also effective to use. All these theme song and insert some exceptionsthe pillowsYou are responsible for. 『FLCL's popularity outside of Japan isthe pillows, And was also increasing in popularity outside of Japan.


I see nothing like that on Baccano!'s article, but the light novels have apparently been quite successful.
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ninjaclown



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In addition I have recently finished Japanamerica by Roland Kelts where he also states American cartoons are currently inferior to Japanese anime because of quality and quantity of material available to all fans.


But I read Japanamerica too, and it never said anything remotely close to that. He actually spoke highly of both forms.

Someone actually said Avatar is a rip-off? Of What?
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The Naked Beast



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:49 pm Reply with quote
FeralKat wrote:
Apparently, a lot of shows that flopped or had mild reception in Japan do really well here. Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Trigun, and Baccano! to name a few.
Wow really? I never would have expected that. I know that they were "different" but they were amazing series. Usually when a new anime fan asks me what series they should watch, I would reply in a heartbeat, "Cowboy Bebop." It has pretty become a classic in the United States.

I am not a fan of Trigun but how could you go wrong with Yoko Kanno and The Seatbelts, hip-hop culture and feudal Japan, and alchemists, immortality, and the Prohibition era?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:52 pm Reply with quote
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu is more difficult a title than The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya?

FLCL does with six episodes what most anime can't accomplish with 26 or more. In that regard, I liken it to another great six-episode anime, Gundam 0080.

As far as that one Answerfan answer, I don't mind a little bit of liberal interpretation with anime dubs. However, when they downright change the context of scenes, replace the music, and add dialogue with the purpose of marketing it towards the average ADD-addled nine year old (like a certain dub of a long-running action series I reviewed here), that's just too far. There's making it have broader appeal, and there's just plain talking down to the audience and telling them they're idiots. If the licensor can't market the show as it is, they shouldn't have licensed it at all. It's their failure, not the show's.
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mulrich



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:40 pm Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu is more difficult a title than The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya?


I'd like to point out another thing:

The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya
Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu (<-- three u's there, since the kanji are read yuu and utsu.)

Or in kanji 涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱. Now, which one is shorter?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:46 pm Reply with quote
Still the Japanese one.

When I shorten it, I always use SHnY. It's better than TMoHS.
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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:57 pm Reply with quote
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Even non-anime fans loved it!


The larger issue is American adults as a whole perceive animation as kid stuff. This also means at some point in the teen-to-young adult phase most Americans distance themselves from cartoons/animation. I remember a conversation with a 15 yr old who was happy to have a step brother so he had an excuse to see that live-action Masters of the Universe film back when it came out because he really wanted to see it, but didn't want to admit it to his friends. My husband left me with kid movie detail-particularly the animated stuff-save a handful of titles like Toy Story. I am always getting an interesting reaction from new people who see my anime poster lined cubicle from adults shocked at an adult apparently liking animation enough to have posters of cartoons (as opposed to an "adult" live-action movie)
I remember never developing an anti-cartoon mentality & other kids in Junior High thinking I had to be mentally deficient for liking animated stuff. (I liked sci fi/fantasy & a lot of the sci fi mags like Starlog were pretty positive on animation so I never saw a need to abandon animation) It's only ok for teens-thru-adults to like cool/hip/adult stuff thus FLCL is ok because it fits that qualifier.
The biggest impact FLCL made on me was it was a giant divider of the anime fandom back in tht day. Boards seemed to require at least 1 thread every time CN ran FLCL on whether FLCL was better than Excel Saga & for the most part the opinions ran polar opposite. I recall very few fans who enjoyed both. Even the guy Newtype interviewed at CN (pres? program chief? too long ago that I read the article) hated Excel (migraine-inducing & the promise it would never air on CN). Excel even made one of their snippy bumper comments. I love Excel & find FLCL ok-a bit stupid in parts, but I do have 2 of the dvds I managed to find used.
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Myaow



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:36 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
The biggest impact FLCL made on me was it was a giant divider of the anime fandom back in tht day. Boards seemed to require at least 1 thread every time CN ran FLCL on whether FLCL was better than Excel Saga & for the most part the opinions ran polar opposite. I recall very few fans who enjoyed both.


But, but, but they have nothing in common! Excel Saga is a crazy comedy about silly girls that just wants to make you laugh and have fun, and FLCL is a very differently-crazy action-drama about a kid growing up! How are you even supposed to start comparing them? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT.

By the way: DID Baccano! perform well in R1? That would make me happy, but I never heard anything along those lines before.
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