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Ranma824 wrote:

I don't give a #$@& what Americans want in their RPG. I know what *I* want, and it's nothing Western companies will ever give me. I will be more then happy for JRPGs to remain a small tangent in the american market; with only a handful of publishers catering to this audience.

It is erroneous of you to think that America = all of Western development. Such pithy generalizations make me want to CRUSH YOUR KIND, you #$@& American!

Usually for me its Story>game play, in terms of what i look for in a video game. which is why to this day i never understand the appeal of MW1 or 2, and any call of duty for that matter. I've played them, they were fun , but no where near game of the year or even decade quality. The story is just to pants on head retarded (although i'm not necessarily the best judge of this, i actually enjoyed and understood the metal gear solid series).

I don't mind the occasional hit that breaks into main stream, but I'm sick and tired of the whining and complaining from american gamers; which these games are not made for in the first place!

No one even implied that America = all of Western development. The only wild generalizations were that the North American audience = the American audience, and that there no other RPG developers other than "Japan" and "the West". On the first point, are there enough Canadian and Mexican gamers, and are their tastes so different from Usonian gamers, that there is much difference in the aggregate tastes? On the second point, I know there are Korean and Chinese game developers, but would really like to hear if Bollywood and the Bangalore and Hyderabad software developers have come together to produce IRPGs.

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Excuse me? Self created irony? What did I say to deserve such a comment like that? I said I was NOT trying to start anything, CLEARLY, in the post and was just trying to find out other people's reasons.

But please, point out how I was being ironic. Aside from maybe the issues about resale values, I never commented on the loaning topic OR the possibility of the games being pulled off a service. That's not being ironic, it's called not knowing of other reasons. It's why I made the post in the first place.

Concerning the pricing issue though, that's the cost of instant gratification. And if I want a game badly enough, I'll be fine sacrificing a physical copy and paying extra to have it sooner. It's like the people who said I was wasting my money for getting Overnight shipping for Dragon Age: Origins when it first came out.

As for point one, I don't see this as much of a problem unless you have a super slow download speed. This day and age, 5 gig files can take a mere 15 minutes to be downloaded for some if they have a super fast speed, I know I could with Comcast...

Point two... Okay, pretty legit but I never consider it being all my friends are miles away. Plus, I just let my buddies hop on my account if they want to play a game that badly, we trust each other that much.

Point three, see above.

blah blah blah...Gamestop...blah blah blah...whole nother kinda issue I'll avoid... (shortened for the heck of it)

And Leafy brought up some good points too.

I'm not looking to poke and agitate people, just trying to get some views and you guys kinda helped me but I'm still seeing that the digital perks outweigh the physical... And honestly, I'd rather take the risk of the game disappearing forever from the service than misplacing it. If it disappears in real life, then I'm responsible and have only myself to blame. But if a company yanks a game/whatever off the grid, I'll just get pissy with them.

However, I do have to say if anyone is a collector, in my book that's like a discussion ender. Even if you do prefer physical copies on another level, it's the collecting factor that I respect. I wish I had enough attention span to COLLECT my games.

Kyogissun wrote:

Excuse me? Self created irony? What did I say to deserve such a comment like that? I said I was NOT trying to start anything, CLEARLY, in the post and was just trying to find out other people's reasons. But please, point out how I was being ironic. Aside from maybe the issues about resale values, I never commented on the loaning topic OR the possibility of the games being pulled off a service. That's not being ironic, it's called not knowing of other reasons. It's why I made the post in the first place.

Well, considering your opening line was talking about getting stuff digitally to pacify people's need for instant gratification, and the total phrasing of your post... despite saying you weren't trying to start anything, it very much sounded like you were. Because I don't know about you, but I don't very often see people "complain" about not wanting to buy things digitally. They just don't. It's the people who want to buy a digital copy so they can have it right now who are the ones I normally see complaining about the inability to satiate their need for instant gratification.
And if you really wanted to know reasons why people prefer to buy physical media, you shouldn't have posted a nice list of your subjective reasons for not buying physical media, as it comes off rather "offensively", rather than "inquisitively". I'm sorry as I seem to have read too much into your wording and responded inappropriately. My apologies.

Kyogissun wrote:

Concerning the pricing issue though, that's the cost of instant gratification. And if I want a game badly enough, I'll be fine sacrificing a physical copy and paying extra to have it sooner. It's like the people who said I was wasting my money for getting Overnight shipping for Dragon Age: Origins when it first came out.

Shipping is a different issue. Paying the same price and forgoing everything but the game, when I can go to the store day of release, or even a midnight release and have it before the person with overnight shipping, with all the physical extras, for the same price, and be playing it while they're sleeping... I think I win that round.

Kyogissun wrote:

As for point one, I don't see this as much of a problem unless you have a super slow download speed. This day and age, 5 gig files can take a mere 15 minutes to be downloaded for some if they have a super fast speed, I know I could with Comcast...

For me, download speed isn't the issue, it's the space issue. I don't want to have to keep buying more and more, or larger and larger HDDs in order to store all the games, and as I'm a collector, if I were to buy games digitally, I would want them where I could see them/show them off to people, instantly, not go and have to download/install it before being able to do so.

Kyogissun wrote:

Point two... Okay, pretty legit but I never consider it being all my friends are miles away. Plus, I just let my buddies hop on my account if they want to play a game that badly, we trust each other that much. Point three, see above.

And this is where different people's situations come into play, which as you mentioned, didn't come up in your original post as it doesn't apply to you. But I happen to have quite a few friends within driving distance who all have PS3s or 360s (I have both) who I visit often, and will take my games over to play with them. If I had them digitally, I wouldn't be able to do so. On top of that, letting others access and/or play on your account is almost always, 100% against the EULA you agreed to when you made the account, so that's something I wouldn't do either.

Kyogissun wrote:

blah blah blah...Gamestop...blah blah blah...whole nother kinda issue I'll avoid... (shortened for the heck of it)

While I actually agree with you and others that Gamestop makes a rather ungodly profit off of reselling used games, I don't see why it should bother anyone on a personal level, beyond simply taking your business elsewhere and not trading your games into them. What others choose to do with their physical media is up to them, and Gamestop is simply running a business. No one is forcing gamers to accept low payments for trade-ins, or forcing gamers to buy the used copies. (Though they always ask me, and I always say no, since I want my money to go to the studio who made the game, not just help GS turn a profit. That's how I deal with it.)

Kyogissun wrote:

And Leafy brought up some good points too. I'm not looking to poke and agitate people, just trying to get some views and you guys kinda helped me but I'm still seeing that the digital perks outweigh the physical... And honestly, I'd rather take the risk of the game disappearing forever from the service than misplacing it. If it disappears in real life, then I'm responsible and have only myself to blame. But if a company yanks a game/whatever off the grid, I'll just get pissy with them.

For you. The digital perks are better for you. I can completely understand why you'd prefer digital because of your situation, but in return, I'd hope you can understand why there are people who find it more appropriate/economical to buy physical copies. As for losing it, I can say in the last 15 years, since I started gaming, I've never lost a game. I think I may have loaned one or two out that I never got back (which is definitely a downside ), but I can't imagine ever losing a game. But as I'm a collector, I keep all my games in one place, as most gamers do, so it's kinda hard to lose them, unless someone else messes with them, and I live alone, so that's not a problem.

Kyogissun wrote:

However, I do have to say if anyone is a collector, in my book that's like a discussion ender. Even if you do prefer physical copies on another level, it's the collecting factor that I respect. I wish I had enough attention span to COLLECT my games.

Hahaha, respected for having a disease, nice. Collecting games/anime/manga/what-have-you isn't so much something to respect, as it is something to pity the person for. I sometimes wish I didn't have this urge to collect games and movies and such, because then I wouldn't spend so much money on all of it. But, oh well.
And again, sorry for being rude earlier. My bad.

PS: Wow, mega-long-winded post... >.>

true, but that's just a bunch of salad dressing; it didn't have THAT much bearing on the plot of the series and those were never the point to begin with. That kind of story telling doesn't bother with superfluous details. Plus Square is adamant in not doing another one in the series unless they can scrounge up the original team who have been scattered to the winds, including Sakaguchi who is a little too busy doing other things at the moment to cater to the nostalgia crowd.

One word: NOSTALGIA. THAT IS IT, that's all it ever is. And to have the spine to piss off that much of a fanbase is what really set it apart.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to indicate here, but I was one of those fans who grew up with Chrono Trigger, and I loved Cross, radical departures from the first game and all.

I haven't played it either but I'd rather not. What kind of weird game makes you choose between items or money after a victory in battle?

JRPG's dying in the mainstream? hmmm, I don't know about that. The developer everybody looks up when it comes to WRPG's is Bioware, and two of Bioware's biggest hits are Mass Effect, and Dragon Age.

Now lets go to a mainstream gaming site like Gamespot and look at their end of year videogame awards. Two years ago a JRPG (Persona 3) beat Mass Effect for RPG of the year and this year a JRPG (Demon's Souls) beat out Dragon Age for RPG of the year. Pretty amazing considering the JRPG is "dead" right? Also, Demon's Souls got OVERALL game of the year, beating out everything from Call of Duty to Assassin's Creed..........and of course Dragon Age.

Also, X-Play gave RPG of the year to Mario and Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story...........another JRPG beating out Dragon Age.

So 2 JRPG's this year were more highly regarded than Dragon Age which is the crown jewel of the WRPG world this year.....hmmm I guess it's the WRPG that is truly dead.

I rest my case.

also your comment about WRPGs being dead reeks of fanboy-ism and general japanophilia. if anything i would say WRPGs are on the rise at the moment, with Mass effect 2 being one of the most widely anticipated games this year.

DigimonTamer wrote:

also your comment about WRPGs being dead reeks of fanboy-ism and general japanophilia. if anything i would say WRPGs are on the rise at the moment, with Mass effect 2 being one of the most widely anticipated games this year.

Yet, oddly enough, it will be overshadowed by Final Fantasy 13.........a JRPG.