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frentymon
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Naked fictional children. Unpleasant, maybe, but dangerous? Hardly. And really, I feel like you're getting a kick out of everyone responding seriously to your one-line troll posts that probably took you 5 seconds to write. |
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Hannish Lightning
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I think it's funny that people thinks it's okay to look a loli porn,but it's not okay to say it's bad.
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Nemo_N
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You can think that looking at any kind of fiction is bad*. You can't say it's ok to send someone to jail because of it. *Don't expect people to always agree with you though. |
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Hannish Lightning
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Jail would would be too harsh as they wouldn't get the help they need there.
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Nemo_N
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The only one who could say whether or not he requires any help is a trained professional after a series of interviews and tests, not an anime fan casually commenting in a forum. |
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sunflowerseed
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Over the past 10 years thanks to the web we have all seen the stories from Japan about how many kids are reaped and molested reguarly. In Japan it is part of their culture to be reaped under age so the girls in most cases don't report it. They would lose their breadwinner for the family if they did in most cases so those statements were false info to get people to change the subject. They have more of a problem in Japan then even here in the USA. Look at all the 12 to 14 year old girls who put themselves up for rent for sex on lots and lots of message boards all over Japan. We don't even have that problem. Back on TOPIC: On Chris's punishment phase which this article was about this will determine the course of action the law will take in getting others who do have manga and videos - saved or 'legally bought' which cross the border of 'obscenity' the courts are jailing people for. |
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Megiddo
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Notice how I gave a source for facts? I'd like to request yours. |
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yuna49
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If you're that concerned about drawings, then what do you think of people who shoot photographs like this one and post them on the Internet? Should they be arrested? I'm guessing that there's at least one person in the world who would find this picture sexually arousing. Should we arrest him or her as well? |
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Animehermit
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I, too, would love to see a source for his information, because as it is, this sounds like a big ol' piece of bull fecal material. |
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Nanoob
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Attitudes to sexual assault, particularly towards minors, have changed dramatically in the United States recently. Sunflower might have exaggerated, but it is a problem.
Interpol has an interesting section on the Japanese Laws themselves. |
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LordRedhand
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I believe we've had this converstation before but there is a difference in "He should be punished." and "He should be imprisoned." In fact I'd say he should seek help in others, if I recall correctly last time, and it still holds, he should seek help, and part of the punishment should require that aid as it was not sought independently but he recognized the need for it. He may have been loosing the anchors that would remind him of who he was by the isolation caused by his actions. As to the others with the action movie "defense" I'd be just as concerned if say the scene in "24" with Jack Bauer torturing a suspect to get information as normal and okay, as that is not. It is not normal and okay to shoot another person. As certainly you wouldn't say it if it actually happened/happening, it should follow that we would say the same thing when presented with it fictionally. To further illustrate we had a member of our forums say it was "harmless fun" and comical when a scene depicting two female characters, one groping the other and the other saying "Please Stop!" They further stated that in reality they were against it but found no problem because it was fictional. The problem is that we can find other fictional instances where we would say what matches what we would say in reality in the position above "That this is wrong." So it's not something that fiction has that is unique that separates it from another type of fiction, the Thought Experiment. So why is it in one fictional event we say it's harmless and okay but another same fictional thought experiment we say it's wrong? There is a disconnect, as they should be the same, and thus one of the issues, as I don't see something inherent from an entertainment medium that separates it from ourselves in a way as to not present a view of the world and thus not be a thought experiment. |
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Hannish Lightning
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There's a difference from a person being sexually aroused by a picture than a picture meant to sexually arouse someone. Which, apparently you can't see the difference. |
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Megiddo
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Explain this further please. I don't know if you meant it to be deliberately confusing so you could springboard from it, or if it's just unclear because there is no elaboration about it. As such, before I can accept such "disconnect", I'd need to know what it is you're trying to say here. |
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KanjiiZ
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Sorry that I don't like to defend creepy old guys who like drawn porn. That's just me though, egoist you can defend him all you want. Be his lawyer or fund his bail if you're so defensive about him.
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Richard J.
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It's bad to lie but outside of lying while under oath and a few other situations, it's not such a big deal legally speaking. It's bad to have sex with people you don't know but as long as you don't charge them money you can pretty much go for it from a legal perspective. Crimes should not be defined merely as "this is bad."
If a child is sexually abused, according to a study by Dr. Howard N. Snyder of the National Center for Juvenile Justice, only about 7% of offenders are strangers whereas in adult cases that number jumps to 27% so kids are actually safer talking to strangers than college students are. This whole evil pedo bogeyman thing has much less basis in reality than people realize. Family members and people associated with the kids are the most likely offenders. Kinda like with murder cases, it's usually someone you know. The common child molester isn't a stranger with porn, it's a family member, a close family friend, a step parent, a teacher or someone else already close to the child. Going by statistics, Handley isn't even a likely offender. He's just a guy with a very large comic collection who had something delivered in the mail that got him in trouble because alarmists have turned things in to a witch hunt. If someone actually hurts a child, I'll be the first person to suggest execution with extreme prejudice after their guilt is proven. I'll also be the first person to defend anyone's right to draw whatever they want or to look at whatever drawings they want. Fantasy and reality are not the same thing. Planning an actual crime but not carrying it out can be a bit of a grey area but just thinking about something and never taking any concrete steps to do it is just plain not enough to justify taking away a person's right to their liberty. |
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