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Krotchstak
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While I agree that UC looks very good, I don't think it looks better than 0080. That remains, in my eyes, the single best production ever to bear the Gundam name. |
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ikillchicken
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Dude, just stop. I don't profess to be an expert but I have actually taken several courses in economics and several more in business. You're not going to convince me with a bunch of incoherent pseudo-economic chatter. No part of what you're saying here makes sense. You're asserting several trends that simply do not exist. You're basically just making shit up. In fact, all this justifying you're doing is sort of pointless. It's no secret why the price is so high: The Japanese companies don't want otaku who normally pay outrageous Japanese prices importing a cheap North American BD for a fraction of the price. It really is as simple as that.
Again, this makes no sense. As I said before, exclusivity would drive prices up. More fans (higher demand) would also drive price up. So even assuming a sudden loss of exclusivity, prices should have been rising until now and then suddenly fallen. The opposite of what's actually true. |
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Mr Adventure
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Uh... No. That's not how Supply/Demand works. Assuming there is enough supply. As Demand rises prices should fall. If supply is low, and demand is high, prices do rise. If supply is low, and demand is low, prices rise. If supply is high, and demand is low, prices fall. In this case, I'd say supply is low. Costs of a world-wide simultaneous release of a niche genre (anime, and add Universall Century era Gundam as a franchise to double up your Nicheness) have to be pretty high so they probably have a supply only equal to expected demand based on current buying trends. Therefor, prices will be high because demand is low (anime/Gundam fans do not make up a gigantic demographic in terms of home-video sales. Sorry guys.) So, supply/demand trends do in fact explain the current pricing of this release. EDIT: Granted Supply/Demand economics don't really work for one single Blu-ray release, it more has to do with the industry as a whole. One high priced item is more of a symptom of the bigger picture. |
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Renaisance Otaku
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Who saidIi was saying it with a straight face? Just siding with PenguinTruth on how in 6 pages we have all of 1 worth of talking about the actual review. I wouldn't have said anything about the price except that the issue was made too big not to comment. Like I summed it up, if the price is a deal breaker, wait til it comes down as it's not an urgent title then. Not like this one release is going to change anime pricing as we know it. Krotchstak, nice to see another appreciator of 0080. That one's always been a love it or hate it one for fans depending on whether you watch Gundam for the action or not. I doubt Unicorm will be anything like it. I expect something a bit more in line with 0083 given the review. That one was vastly flawed, yet still fun to watch. |
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ikillchicken
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What you're doing is being a massive hypocrite. Don't complain about how everyone 'dragging the thread down' by talking about price if you're also going to dive right into that discussion. Mr Adventure: Uh...okay. I think perhaps we're analyzing this in two different ways. What I am saying is that in the general market for anime, if the number of fans increases then the number of people willing to buy at any given price will have increased. Thus the demand curve shifts to the right. The new equilibrium will be at a higher price and at a greater quantity. As I said though, it's pretty clear that this is not an economic shift in the market. It's simply them appeasing the fears of the Japanese about reverse importation. |
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edzieba
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It's a nonintuitive nonlinearity, but it's an important one. It's also the reason the Japanese distributor's prices are so high: The marker there has almost always been below the threshold of startup costs. |
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luffypirate
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Man, I still can't understand why some of you people think this is overpriced. This is literally a godsend for UC Gundam fans and anime BD collectors everywhere. When they listed the price on CD Japan I though it was some sort of joke. I was expecting it to be at least $80.
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dtm42
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I have to nitpick here. If the demand curve gets shifted to the right (i.e. demand increases) then that makes the price go up, irrespective of the supply. That's because the relationship between supply and demand has changed, even though supply has remained the same. ---------- As to the point that ikillchicken was making, that exclusivity creates/increases demand, well you'll all be happy to know that the phenomenon does indeed exist. It even has a name; Veblen Good. Basically, a high price on a prestigious item confers a sort of prestige associated with owning such an item, and therefore demand goes up. Read the Wikipedia article for more depth. And for god's sakes people, don't argue points of Economics with people who actually have knowledge of said Economics. |
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ikillchicken
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Obviously that is wrong. Think about it. If increasing profit were as simple as increasing price, companies would do it regardless now wouldn't they? Total profit = profit per sale x number of sales. Increasing price will increase the former. However, it will decrease the latter. The higher the price, the less people will be willing to buy something. This is the concept of the demand curve in it's purest, most basic form. Thus, the change in profit depends entirely on the slope of the demand curve. It may increase or decrease depending on which factor changes more. Again, I don't want to be Mr 'I'm an expert' because I'm not. However, this is extremely basic, introductory level stuff. If you do not understand the basic concept of how a demand curve works, you simply DO NOT know what you are talking about. |
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edzieba
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The demand curve is a nice rule-of-thumb. It fails for edge cases though, and licensed anime DVD releasing is definitely an edge case. For our purposes, the both the supply and demand curve have nonlinearities: the demand curve plateaus rapidly above the current demand level, and the price curve rises rapidly below it's current point. For shows like Naruto, the demand plateau is waaay up there, leaving plenty of room for the optimum price to vary about. For Unicorn, a show catering to diehard UC fans, the demand plateau is low, encroaching on the price spike. |
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Vicserr
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I was aiming for stuff available in R1, the person that asked didn't want a complicated solution, heck I haven't watch ZZ, and with the suggestions I made, he should have most of the bases covered. |
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ikillchicken
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Uh no. We are talking about an increase in price. So rather, it is you who is assuming that the market would not shrink significantly as a result of a raise in price. The outrage over this one price increase alone demonstrates that this is a foolish assumption. As does the failure of Bandai Visual in the past. Your argument would support the idea that dropping prices further would be unwise but not the opposite. (Although really, the success of funimation and resurgence of ADV since the move to more affordable non-singles releases would also demonstrate that your conclusion is false). I'll again point out that all this justifying seems absurd. This release is obviously a single exception rather than an emerging trend. This is obviously about nothing more than appeasing the Japanese reverse importation fears. |
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Kaioshin_Sama
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And if that does end up being the case I can bet I know which aspect people will choose to focus the discussion on. "De flaws, de flaws....sure you're having a ton of fun watching this show with all of it's great scenes, but now you must listen to me talk about de flaws until it's no longer fun". At least if it's anything like the past 5 or so animated entries in the franchise you can bet that's how it's going to go down, because goddamnit everybody has their pet favourite Gundam series and unless the newest one is exactly like it then there'll be hell to pay. I can already hear the Gundamn! podcast prepping the straight talk express for this one. Anyway it is amazing yet not altogether surprising that there's been about 5 pages of nothing but whining about the Blu-Ray price. Considering that there are a number of people in here who seem to have shown up solely to bitch about the price and admit that they don't even care about Gundam at all or even plan to give the franchise a chance (oh it's just stupid shiny visuals etc.) I think it speaks volumes about the maturity of the posters. The "if you don't like it, don't buy it speech" shouldn't even have to come up and I urge that nobody attempt to even give it. Let these people just cry it out and then hopefully be done with it and we can talk about the review that nobody bothered to read instead. |
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dtm42
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Dude. You are completely missing the point. The people who are complaining about the price are complaining about the actual price, NOT whether they like Gundam or not. Because of course we like Gundam, or at least are interested in it. Our main issue - yes, I am included in this group - is not that we don't like it, but that we don't like it enough to pay such a price. And I for one did read the review. |
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kefkaownsall
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I think the price will come down on Amazon in two months.
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