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Gewürtztraminer
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That did come across a bit rough, I apoligize. I did qualify it with recent posts though. The thread recently does tend to come off a bit as member waiving on who got what for the least, with some bragging about profiting in the anime second hand trade. I agree with you about stretching the dollar, I too frequent the bargain bin of commercial flops. The entire Aquarion series can be had now for $16! That is outrageous. When Suzuka dropped to $15, I too bought though I was pretty meh on the series, but I held no illusions I was helping out anyone other than TRSI by doing so. I do not currently do fansubs, and my only stream was the first Tower of Druaga on Youtube (which led me to a buy for the first and a blind buy for the second). There just is not enough time to see everything right now. Eventually, I will have to start streaming, or catching fansubs. I blind bought some terrible shows (for me), Maburaho, Coyote Ragtime, Ergo Proxy. Stuff that generated such a bad taste in my mouth, that I vowed to preview anything before buying. Netflix helps but is not the be all, most of the new Section 23 releases are not there, as well as some newer Funimation stuff. If all Netflix distribution points were to buy a copy of a sub only series, that has to be near 100 copies, there are at least 4 Texas distribution sites I know of Houston, Coppell, Waco, Lubbock, probably San Antonio and El Paso as well. The distribution hub information seems to be a little difficult to find. But that alone pushes a title toward profitability. I would love to know how the whole rental thing works, do the distributors get a cut off each rental? I have never been able to track down hard info. Might change my mind. |
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Excel Generations
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Ew no more half assed companies. It's like they are trying to make the market smaller now tending to the minority.
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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How does a new company (and one that might bring with it some new eyes from the gaming side) licensing new titles make the market smaller? |
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Xanas
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I have very mixed feelings about this announcement.
Do we need another R1 distributor in an industry where R1 distributors have been dropping not so long ago with a current economy that is still mending? Is this R1distributor going to do what R1 should by making a release for the fans of the show (sub-only but good extras) or to get others interested (hybrid release, few extras)? I have been buying the sub-only releases, but not one of them has impressed me enough to replace good quality fansubs that I've downloaded. I'm not even ripping those discs (including Rental Magica) because I do like the karaoke and the quality increase is just very limited. I did like the Nozomi extras, but the stuff being released by Sentai is honestly pathetic and quite lazy. They want to get paid for doing what many do for free, while having costs that are so low that one has to believe that the Japanese aren't really getting much out of these licenses anyway. On the other hand, anything is better than nothing, but I kind of think they would be better off releasing in a few years when the economy is better, and doing better marketing. I know many are of the opinion that anime can't possibly have a broader appeal than it does, but I don't even think they have tried hard enough to really say that. With the exception of Funimation and Viz, the marketing is extremely limited for anime, and even with them it's on a limited number of channels that don't promote it much. |
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Panda Man
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You kind of proved my point by saying that. Seriously, a lack of a dub shouldn't be enough to stop you form getting a show you enjoy.
This is the type of dub fan I like. Willing to buy a show they enjoy even if it is subbed. Thank you for actually supporting the anime industry unlike some people who are elitists. |
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Haterater
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@ Panda Man
What is your definition of elitism? Especially for people who know nothing of a show at all and are considering their options? Why should one buy something that one isn't going to enjoy? Each and everyone person is different. They should buy something if they know they will still enjoy it. Would one support a release if its dub-only? Not buying that is not supporting the industry, so why double standard if one were to go that route? Don't even get me started on how some people can't enjoy a method because of a variety of conditions. Honestly, buy what you feel you'll like, taking into account everything. I'm not a strong believer of just buying stuff to support things if you don't really enjoy the product. I love NISA and continue to wish them best on their games, but you don't see me buying every single one of their releases, especially ones I have no interest in. They are a small company, but they should know their releases will target specific fans and take that into account in their budgets. They should know how to handle their anime stuff if they follow their game stuff, as some of their games were dub only, sub only, and both. Not to mention different game genres and the likes. |
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Panda Man
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@Haterater
By elitists, I mean the people that swear that dubs are better no matter what and refuse to buy a subbed version of a show they watched fansubbed and say they love it, but once it is licensed and announced to be sub only, refuse to buy it. I said nothing about buying a show they don't like. Make sure you read my post more carefully first. This is about the people complaining about no dub. |
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Haterater
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That does go to a point I made about buying things you might not like. In this case, people who like the show but prefer that preference in their product that they want to buy. And I have seen people on the gaming side do the same thing, "pirated Japanese version and love it, won't buy English release if there is no Japanese VA." Its basically moral VS your personal enjoyment which is like the fansub debate in a way, not winnable.
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Megiddo
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That example doesn't properly fit. The gamer is unsatisfied that the version he played via the Japanese version is different than the version released stateside. That isn't true in R1 anime. The version of anime that someone enjoyed fansubbed is still provided for in the stateside released. They don't release anime without the Japanese audio anymore, other than I guess the 4Kids releases and Kurokami's BluRay. |
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Panda Man
Posts: 257 Location: North Carolina |
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Really, I could care less about what people do as long as they don't come to the forum to complain. I get on hoping to talk about a series I enjoy only to see "OH NOES! NO DUB IS BAD, LETS COMPLAIN SO THE REAL FANS OF THE SERIES CAN'T DISCUSS IT PROPERLY."
But I guess that will happen no matter what forum you get on, so I should probably learn to deal with it. |
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The Count
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And if this kind of discussion (which seem pretty tame and reasonable compared to how thing could get) is to much for you then why keep on coming here. Its like me walking into a store and getting punched in the face by the store manager. Guess what, after the first time I wouldn't go there anymore. Last edited by The Count on Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:02 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Quark
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But the thing is, a lot of these dub fans complaining watched the show subbed, and didn't seem to have a problem with it then. It's not simply about having a preference anymore, since they don't seem to have a problem with subs when they're free. But when it comes time to plunk down 20 bucks (a very reasonable price), they suddenly start talking about how much they hate subs. I've got zero issue if a dub fan chooses to skip on a show for not having a dub, however, I've got an issue when that same fan has already watched the fansub with no problem, and will most likely continue to watch the fansub. I'm also of the opinion that buying a sub only release might be a good thing in the long run for dub fans, as that's money going into the industry, and therefore, money that could potentially go towards dubbing new series. Dokuro-chan is a perfect example of this. It sold well enough that Media Blasters has decided to do a dub for it. By refusing to purchase a show they've already watched fansubbed, they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot in regards to ever getting that show dubbed. Anyway...I started watching Toradora! fansubbed, and couldn't stand Taiga. However, I love slice of life/romance/moe anime...and I'm thinking maybe I didn't give this show enough of a chance. I'll probably pick this one up, especially if NIS gives it a nice artbox and goodies. Last edited by Quark on Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:56 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Haterater
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@ Megiddo
Its rare that it does happen, as such with 4Kids and the likes, but you get what I'm trying to convey. Although one can argue about fan translated games and the rare times companies do announce bringing the game in question for the overseas market. I understand that, Panda Man. Looking at Quark's and The Count's points, its unwinnable for me to decide, as the two make good points. |
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The Count
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Its been sometime since I bought a sub only release, the last being Kannagi. But I'll probably pick up Persona either way. |
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Tofusensei
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No, because you are supporting the industry. That is the entire idea behind legal streams. -Tofu |
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