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Gewürtztraminer
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I agree with the rest of your post regarding Sands as well. I have not played the game, so I do not know if there was more story to flesh out certain characters and action, but it seemed like the opportunity was there waiting for the taking. So many unexplained questions that kept popping up. Why did the Destruction committee go to the land of whatever (Autumn, Summer, etc.)? Why when they met up with the Preservation committee did the Preservation committee reply, "We thought you might come here.". I sure as heck did not know why they visited the areas they visited. It certainly felt as if there were 24 episodes of material that under the proper helm could have been excellent. As it was, it felt like "This anime is built to sell a game. Why bother giving it a great effort. Here are the high points.....". In the what are you watching thread, I think I mentioned the term phoning it in. This was a wasted opportunity in my view. No it would not have been original by any stretch, but with a little effort, it would have told a similar story in an exceptional manor. What we ended up with was a decent diversion. |
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PetrifiedJello
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Had to look this up (gaming?!?). August. I'm betting those wearing Storm Trooper outfits are going to be really, really hot. |
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PBsallad
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I haven't seen that many horror/thriller movies, but I hold a similar view. To me RIN isn't nearly as bad as a lot of people say it is. Then again, out of curiosity I saw some of Night Shift Nurses... I don't think anything but live action can faze me after watching that... Although the plot for RIN is weird and a little confusing (I read about it on wikipedia before watching, but got the plot after actually watching it) I enjoyed it over all. Once I get the money I'm buying it. Especially since the box is treated with some lotion to make it feel weird. |
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vashfanatic
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I swear, I won't post anymore, I'll leave you all to your creepy, disturbing, I-would-be-afraid-to-date-you fun, but this last thing:
Because it's consensual if she's being brain-washed by pheromones into a dribbling idiot?
That doesn't necessarily make it good. See the Tomatometers for all those Saw movies...And again, this didn't make me squeamish so much as morally horrified that something this vile ever got made, that people would want to watch something this sadistic.
Probably, but what does that have anything to do with anything? The series itself doesn't luxuriate in his torture, nor fetishize him. You can't stop fans from making what they want of something. Rin, on the other hand, does it in canon. That's a BIG DIFFERENCE. |
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LordRedhand
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PJ if you look deeper, while yes Gencon is a gaming convention first and foremost it also does comics and anime (with anime being it's own category of events, think gaming convention with anime on the side.) Last year I saw Vic Mignogna for a Q&A session. (Anime questions where meh, His Star Trek and directing/music questions, interesting.) I didn't get his free CD he was handing out although I purchased and got an autograph of one of his other music cd ventures. |
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KoujiTamino
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This is what happens when you rant about something that you haven't seen. spoiler[While the Angels remain a constant threat looming over the Immortals in general, Episode 2 is the last time that Rin falls victim to one in such a fashion. Her next major encounter with the Angels involves her actually fighting off her little handicap to take out several. She does, however, engage in consensual sex with one of her former lovers. In fact, the show is hardly a rape fest. Most on-screen sex in the show is consensual or somewhat reluctant ala the Informants and their 'payment', and Rin's most brutal maiming is a complete freak accident that serves to take her out of commission for a couple decades.] The violence and sexual abuse, while excessive, isn't without reason. spoiler[Quite a bit of it is deliberately orchestrated behind the scenes by the sadistic main antagonist, especially towards the end.] While I doubt this will change your mind, and I'm not trying to, I just thought it prudent to clear a few things up. Oh, and:
Thank you, but getting my jollies off is hardly the reason I watched and enjoyed the show. |
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The Human Spider
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It's nice to see RIN get a more positive review here; it's one of the better newer shows I've seen. I'd love to be able to hang out with Heavy Metal fans--that was my favorite cartoon of the 80s(my freinds and I used to constantly quote lines from the movie, especially the "hmmm big" scene) and remains one of my favorite cartoons today. The magazine was great in the 70s and early 80s but gradually went downhill(I wish I still had mine.)
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vashfanatic
Posts: 3489 Location: Back stateside |
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Since I had only discussed the first two episodes, I perhaps poorly assumed that this was all she was referring to. If she meant "later on," then I apologize. Still, in the first two episodes, I found her sexual encounters to be universally distasteful; if it's different in later episodes, then I suppose that's commendable...? After all, Berserk had some (rather beautiful) consensual scenes in spite of quite a few other rapes.
I really don't find that having the entire plot be centered around the orchestration of the lead's torture and degradation to be appealing. Maybe you do, that's swell, which brings me too...
Yeah, I realized afterward that was a bad choice of words that implied the only reason people would watch this was because they had sadistic tendencies. What I meant by it was that I feel a real values dissonance between myself and a lot of this is show's defenders. There's this disconnect in what we think is entertaining versus disgusting, and I think it would make for a lot of... awkwardness, but on an emotional and moral level, not on a sexual one. But anyway, now I'm quitting. There really is no point in me arguing this, I think it does come down to different perspectives on how violence and sex ought to be used in telling a story. |
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PetrifiedJello
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I've never been to GenCon here, though I know it's been held many times. However, if Erin does show up, you can bet I'll be waiting in line to talk to her. I am dying to know what this girls thinks. I've mellowed on reading her reviews, but inside, I'm bashing my head against a brick wall trying to understand. 
Should be fun. Hey, maybe you and I can sit and have a chat as well! I don't need security, do I? 
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Do you really believe that? Consensual as in the time Mimi has no alternative to finding out what happened to Rin besides surrendering her body (like extortion, but with sex instead of money)? Or consensual as in the times the angels get close to the immortals and the women lose their minds so that they want the sex because they are no longer in control of their own minds? Or consensual as in the VR program that was programmed to be a whore?
Um, that doesn't actually deny the allegation of non-consensual sex. Heck, that she TRIES to fight the brain-washing effect is evidence that it is rape. Also, Rin isn't the only one to succumb to the effect. Also, extortion rape is still rape. If the victim consents to sex because the rapist has a gun or a knife, you wouldn't call that consensual, would you? Similarly, the informant essentially said you'll never see your friend again unless you have sex for my amusement, despite that you really don't want to.
For arousal. Last edited by Dorcas_Aurelia on Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:46 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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_Emi_
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Well, my last name is Belgian and I'm a little over a quarter Belgian so I'm pretty sure I'm safe. Glass Mask sounds like something I'd enjoy but I think I'll wait and see if Sentai reissues this with corrected subtitles before I buy. I love old school shojo designs and I love what little I've read of Swan. |
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erinfinnegan
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You sound like my brother trying to understand my taste in music! (There is no way to guess which bands I hate because of ex-boyfriends.) Indiana is a long way away, but if I'm invited as a guest, perhaps because of my podcast (I've been a guest before!), or I'm asked to cover the con for work (with travel paid) then I would go. (Especially if my husband can also go.)
This brings up an interesting point. Can a show redeem itself? I also love Berserk (my husband loves it more), and we marathoned it for our friends. Everyone was really into it, and everyone really loved Casca... until the final DVD. Then everyone freaked out and hated the show and my husband was banned from throwing anime marathons. What if Casca got raped in the first episode? spoiler[And you know I'm not talking about raped once - she gets raped by like, all the demons in hell.] Could the show be redeemed by being excellent later on? Would you have stopped watching it? I probably wouldn't have watched the rest. Rin is certainly no Berserk, but it basically has all the horribleness in the first two episodes. People who only like the first two episodes... are sort of like people who only like the last DVD volume of Berserk. |
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Animehermit
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i think the big line in the sand here is purpose. The last DVD of Berserk actually serves the plot. i think a lot of what people are complaining about is that those scenes actually serve some kind of point; while the scenes in Rin, don't. and lets not forget the quality of the writing in Berserk is miles above Rin, which almost excuses its tendency to display the same content(often times its actually much worse). anyway, i sort of ironically enjoyed Rin, and wish there was more like it. because unlike most of the moe or harem stuff at least this is watchable, if only to satisfy my morbid curiosity. |
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YotaruVegeta
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So when you say you "sort of ironically" like Rin, did you like it, or not? Are you ashamed to say you liked it on any level?
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Animehermit
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ummm no? if i was ashamed to say i liked it, why would i say i liked it? |
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