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Dorcas_Aurelia
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:50 pm
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FlyingFox wrote: | I don't get what Tite Kubo's problem is. He is literally doing the same thing over again.
Lets Save Orihime! = Lets save Rukia!
Hueco Mundo = Soul Society
Arrancars = Soul Reaper Captains
Grimjow = Kenpachi
I stopped buying Bleach four volumes ago because of this. |
I thought Grimjow was Renji, (plus Ulquiorra was Byakuya, the guy Kenpachi fought was Kenpachi, and the guy Mayuri fought was Mayuri).
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vashfanatic
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:30 pm
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Otaking09 wrote: |
Quote: | Wha...? "The spirit of Bleach"? Just what is the spirit of something other than its story, which has turned into a malaise of battles that are generally proven pointless only a few chapters later, and its characters, which are underused and often ignored?
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When I say "spirit" I mean essence. Y'know, the reason why fans liked it in the first place!
I didn't like the humor as much as you claim there is... (the only funny I liked was Kon.), what I loved was the characters. |
Right, and the essence that fans loved were the characters and story, and the story is rapidly going nowhere and the characters get sidelined like nuts. I'm not sure what "essence" of the original you feel is left at this point.
Quote: | The unique aspect is how these characters behave with the roles their given. Soul Reapers turned allies, instead of being completely destroyed. Certain Arrancars being piqued by the uniqueness of humans. The motives behind Aizen. The reasons why Visored aren't plentiful when they could.
Yes we've seen this sort of thing happen in one shonen or other, but how they're used just silently awes me. |
Again, color me boggled. I can't believe you have such low standards for "awe." All of these elements are derivative and are not being used particularly creatively - except when they're having fun with it and not taking itself seriously. Bleach hasn't been funny in ages, and that's what had it on life support before a years' worth of manga was rendered moot by later plot twists.
Quote: | To tell you the truth, I haven't watched any episodes after 63 since that episode aired here. |
1) We're talking about the manga here, not the anime.
2) If you've only seen that far, why do you know about the Vaizard and the Arrancar?
Quote: | Bleach may be my #1 anime, but it hasn't stopped me from trying new things. I'd be pretty closed-minded! My Top 10 should convince some that I have taste. Or at the very least, a large array of what I like to watch. |
....I'd like to see your Top 10 if Bleach of all things manages to be in the #1 spot. It's far from the worst thing I've read, but it's only mediocre at this point.
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Animehermit
Joined: 05 Aug 2007
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:09 pm
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vashfanatic wrote: |
....I'd like to see your Top 10 if Bleach of all things manages to be in the #1 spot. It's far from the worst thing I've read, but it's only mediocre at this point. |
I think your being a little too soft on it, Bleach hit its peak a long time ago. it went from mediocre, to pretty good and then very rapidly went right into the "sucks" pile.
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Youkai Warrior
Joined: 07 Aug 2008
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:21 pm
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Bleach isn't that bad. I have read manga that is much worse. *shudders* anyway, if someone likes Bleach or X manga or Y manga, they can like it. At least Tite Kubo didn't use a mythical creature and completely destroy them to make his series so hatable.
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Otaking09
Joined: 24 Feb 2009
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:26 pm
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Quote: | Right, and the essence that fans loved were the characters and story, and the story is rapidly going nowhere and the characters get sidelined like nuts. I'm not sure what "essence" of the original you feel is left at this point.
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Perhaps.
Quote: | Again, color me boggled. I can't believe you have such low standards for "awe." All of these elements are derivative and are not being used particularly creatively - except when they're having fun with it and not taking itself seriously. Bleach hasn't been funny in ages, and that's what had it on life support before a years' worth of manga was rendered moot by later plot twists |
Heh heh, I should mention that Bleach was among the first I've ever seen.
Quote: | 1) We're talking about the manga here, not the anime.
2) If you've only seen that far, why do you know about the Vaizard and the Arrancar? |
1)I'm talking about it in general. I don't read much manga (but I did start Berserk recently).
2)Word of mouth. Friends explain it in detail, and specify which sections are worth reading/watching.
I haven't resumed Bleach because where I left it felt right. According my sources, now's not the time resume. And I don't want to continue knowing that my overall opinion could be compromised.
Quote: | ....I'd like to see your Top 10 if Bleach of all things manages to be in the #1 spot. It's far from the worst thing I've read, but it's only mediocre at this point. |
I know right!? I get that a lot. The reason Bleach is #1 is because it practically introduced me to anime/manga. And remember I'm talking about anime. Not manga. I haven't read enough to make a Top 10. But I made a Top 10 anime list, so be my guest.
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bleachigo66
Joined: 16 Jul 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:11 am
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AiddonValentine wrote: | After the incredible Grimmjow fight the series has become one stale bs fest. The Ulquiorra fight was a complete dud that had no justification for its existence and pretty much every Espada with the exception of Grimmjow is boring. |
What do you mean it had no justification?!
1.Ulqiorra shows up with yammy to kill Ichigo but decides he is insignificant.
2.Ulquiorra takes Orihime to hostage to HM
3.Ulquiorra finds Ichigo in HM and nearly kills him
4.When Ichigo finally reaches Orihime Ulquiorra is about to rip her open
5.and lastly Ulquiorra was the only thing standing between Ichigo and Aizen who was in the world of the living.
JUSTIFICATION
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Kid Ryan
Joined: 16 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:26 am
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How far behind exactly is the Viz Manga of Bleach compared to Viz's dub of the anime right now?
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bleachigo66
Joined: 16 Jul 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:39 am
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Baby Naruto wrote: | How far behind exactly is the Viz Manga of Bleach compared to Viz's dub of the anime right now? |
Monthly shonen jump is about 2 volumes behind where the anime is on adult swim, but the anime has stopped for a while.
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Kid Ryan
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:39 am
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bleachigo66 wrote: |
Baby Naruto wrote: | How far behind exactly is the Viz Manga of Bleach compared to Viz's dub of the anime right now? |
Monthly shonen jump is about 2 volumes behind where the anime is on adult swim, but the anime has stopped for a while. |
I was asking about the gap between volume 30 and episode 167, lol.
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bleachigo66
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:43 am
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Baby Naruto wrote: |
bleachigo66 wrote: |
Baby Naruto wrote: | How far behind exactly is the Viz Manga of Bleach compared to Viz's dub of the anime right now? |
Monthly shonen jump is about 2 volumes behind where the anime is on adult swim, but the anime has stopped for a while. |
I was asking about the gap between volume 30 and episode 167, lol. |
21 chapters
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thefuturemrsuzumaki
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:33 pm
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Well at least there's no Bounts, right? LOL
I have to admit, it gets a little old (and I'm using sarcasm here) watching them fight mid-level villains and watching the same thing over and over again; Ichigo fights but gets defeated, then trains, and then he defeats the big boss at the end, saving his ever-changing story arc girlfriend (last time it was Rukia, now it's Orihime). It also gets really old watching a million swordfights, but hey this is Bleach; if you don't like swordfights then don't read it!
But I think people who are following the manga through the tankouban and not online (like at One Manga or Manga Fox or wherever you read it online) are in for some awesome stuff in the future chapters.
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MaxSouth
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:00 pm
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FlyingFox wrote: | I don't get what Tite Kubo's problem is. He is literally doing the same thing over again.
Lets Save Orihime! = Lets save Rukia!
Hueco Mundo = Soul Society
Arrancars = Soul Reaper Captains
Grimjow = Kenpachi
I stopped buying Bleach four volumes ago because of this. |
I did not even start to read the manga exactly because the author has absolute zero of scenario ideas.
"Bleach" is apotheosis of derivativeness from very beginning, from top to bottom -- except for graphical character design, which is one of the best among all mangas ever drawn.
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jr240483
Joined: 24 Dec 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:56 pm
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malvarez1 wrote: | Well, I liked this volume. I guess I don't mind long fights. The part with Ruika was sweet, though. |
i liked it too. though it was kinda predictable. they should have kept the espada alive for a while cause orihime's powers might have been able to reverse what events had changed since her powers rejects them.
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Kid Ryan
Joined: 16 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:34 pm
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bleachigo66 wrote: |
Baby Naruto wrote: |
bleachigo66 wrote: |
Baby Naruto wrote: | How far behind exactly is the Viz Manga of Bleach compared to Viz's dub of the anime right now? |
Monthly shonen jump is about 2 volumes behind where the anime is on adult swim, but the anime has stopped for a while. |
I was asking about the gap between volume 30 and episode 167, lol. |
21 chapters |
Alright, thanks .
So the Bleach Volumes and the SJ Magazine are at the same pace?
How odd, lol.
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