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NEWS: Wikipedia Co-Founder Reports 'Child Porn' in Wikimedia


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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:17 am Reply with quote
Espeon wrote:
The day someone says to me in person that having naked cartoon pictures is illegal I will personally Gut my self...


You might want to avoid talking to ANN readers in person then...or at least put down a tarp. Wink
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Hon'ya-chan



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:22 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Espeon wrote:
The day someone says to me in person that having naked cartoon pictures is illegal I will personally Gut my self...


You might want to avoid talking to ANN readers in person then...or at least put down a tarp. Wink


And if your female, there is a dignified way to commit suicide.
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Ojamajo LimePie



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:52 am Reply with quote
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Really, how [expletive] arrogant is this guy?


Arrogant enough that less than 150 articles have been approved to go on his Wikipedia alternative. Not much of an alternative, is it? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:15 am Reply with quote
Jaymie wrote:
Ummm what? It's panties. I'm pretty strongly against Lolicon, but those pictures are pretty tame. A lot Anime and Manga feature pantie shots of underage girls. Is he trying to say that they should be reported to the F.B.I. as well?


Worth noting that some of images contain more than panty shots. Either of the pictures of the collections feature images of the covers of lolicon material with explicit nudity or more.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:19 am Reply with quote
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Screw the UK. Our freedom of speech doesn't need to silenced because of their stupid policies. Let them deal with it at their end.


All this discussion of UK laws is pretty irrelevant. That material is also illegal in Canada, the USA, Australia and various other English speaking nations.

Your freedom of expression (more specifically your right to experience other people's expression) is being silenced by your government. Deal with it at your end.

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chicogrande



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:02 pm Reply with quote
gorbal wrote:
chicogrande wrote:
Huh? Confused

Some badly drawn panties is child porn?

It's an insult to the struggle against the sexual abuse of flesh and blood victims.


Meanwhile "Strike Witches" is still on the front pages of ANN.


Sorry but, it's still nothing near what "child porn" in real life is.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:35 pm Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
Jaymie wrote:
Ummm what? It's panties. I'm pretty strongly against Lolicon, but those pictures are pretty tame. A lot Anime and Manga feature pantie shots of underage girls. Is he trying to say that they should be reported to the F.B.I. as well?

Worth noting that some of images contain more than panty shots. Either of the pictures of the collections feature images of the covers of lolicon material with explicit nudity or more.

Well I do remember what was on Wikipedia's lolicon entry; not sure if it's okay to write it down here, though. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:48 pm Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
J-Syxx wrote:

Screw the UK. Our freedom of speech doesn't need to silenced because of their stupid policies. Let them deal with it at their end.


All this discussion of UK laws is pretty irrelevant. That material is also illegal in Canada, the USA, Australia and various other English speaking nations.

Your freedom of expression (more specifically your right to experience other people's expression) is being silenced by your government. Deal with it at your end.

-t


The images shown haven't been deemed as illegal by a judge yet (they won't be) in the US. You're acting completely pretentious as usual.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:14 pm Reply with quote
Haha, I can't believe the image with those spines is still up. That's been there forever.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:57 pm Reply with quote
J-Syxx wrote:
The images shown haven't been deemed as illegal by a judge yet (they won't be) in the US. You're acting completely pretentious as usual.


You need to learn the definition of the world pretentious. Calling something illegal, regardless of whether I'm right or wrong, isn't pretentious.

If you think the images only become illegal after a judge deems them so, your understanding of the legal system is somewhat misinformed. On the otherhand, if you're trying to say that the images are borderline, I'm pretty positive that they would meet the criteria for obscenity, which is the key factor.

The images in question include multiple illustrations of elementary school girls' entire naked bodies, focusing on their exposed genitalia.

I've made a point of saying many times that I don't feel this material should be illegal, but that doesn't change the fact that it is.

[edit: actually, the image I was referring to is on Wikipedia, so I removed that part]

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The_Q



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 1:23 pm Reply with quote
Obscene images are what's problematic. I think that's what the first guy was trying to say.,

Anywho, this is just top tier attention whoring. You say the magic CP word, which negates the reasoning portion of your brain (a recent study actually proves this). You then condemn your rival for hosting such content while plugging in your own website. Opportunistic scoundrel would be an understatement.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:14 pm Reply with quote
The_Q wrote:
Obscene images are what's problematic. I think that's what the first guy was trying to say.,

Anywho, this is just top tier attention whoring. You say the magic CP word, which negates the reasoning portion of your brain (a recent study actually proves this). You then condemn your rival for hosting such content while plugging in your own website. Opportunistic scoundrel would be an understatement.


Can you provide a source to that study?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:25 am Reply with quote
I doubt there's actually a study like that, there might be general studies regarding emotional responses to buzzwords, but I've never heard of one dealing with that specifically.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:33 am Reply with quote
tempest wrote:

All this discussion of UK laws is pretty irrelevant. That material is also illegal in Canada, the USA, Australia and various other English speaking nations.

Your freedom of expression (more specifically your right to experience other people's expression) is being silenced by your government. Deal with it at your end.


Maybe because all those countries are (in)famous due to their puritanistic viewpoint of how they can control the way people watch foreign material?
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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:21 am Reply with quote
There's been a new twist in this story (for people like myself who haven't been keeping up since last month): Wikimedia has decided to go ahead and start removing content, although by some twist of logic they insist that the new practice still embodies the old policy.

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