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Mohawk52
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Some other suggest references: Japanamerica Schoolgirl Milky Crisis Last edited by Mohawk52 on Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:13 am; edited 1 time in total |
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loka
Posts: 373 Location: Pittsburgh, PA |
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do you people realize that the ANN encyclopedia lists exactly two series this spring season as moe? there are more SPORTS ANIME than moe series. Sure, there has been at least one moeblob show a season for a few years, but you could say the same of mecha. I am not a fan of mecha. it's difficult to find any season where 3 or more 'moe shows' were being boadcast.
jeez, what is with all the boohoohoo moe is overtaking my Witchblade and [other crappy shows featuring girls with over-sized breasts]. They have a rough time coming up with good looking character models for 'mature' women. I, personally, do not find "Balsa the Spear Woman" pleasing to look at. ps. I can't stand K-ON either. |
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mabber36
Posts: 73 Location: georgia, usa |
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you do realize moe is not a genre, right? |
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
Posts: 1684 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
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Not quite accurate. The original series アニメ親子劇場 (Anime Oyako Gekijo, roughly Anime Parent-Child Theater) was produced entirely by Tatsunoko, with no Americans on the creative team at all. It was, however, part of a Japanese outreach program by Pat Robertson and CBN, but they acted as a sponsor rather than a creative partner, and arranged to have a show like that made through Yomiuri Advertising. It's quite literally a commercial for Jesus, the way Transformers was a toy commercial. (According to Wikipedia, CBN wasn't originally intending to market it to Americans, but was encouraged by its success in Europe.) Only difference with what Chi suggested was that maybe this time they'd produce the content with Americans specifically in mind. |
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AkiraKaneda
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Gomen. My statement suggests that TBN did the scripting, etc., which they did not. This does put it into the same category of an Afro Samurai, then, if not even more Japanese in origin. The material that was presented at the panel I attended (which I mentioned above) stated as much that Superbook was intended for American audiences. Perhaps some more research is appropriate on my part!
Right...though I wonder how many people would still consider it anime if the whole aim was to reach Americans with it. |
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Pandadice
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honestly, it depends on your definition of "moe". The shows that Zac would consider "moe garbage", are a lot more common than shows I'd consider "moe". I'd consider a show like Sketchbook Fullcolors, or Hanamaru Kindergarten to be moe. But Zac/ANN (for the most part?) would say like, anything with females that could also include fanservice and/or ecchi (seeing as how when "moe" comes up, Zac always goes for the "and there's a shot of her panties", while in the biggest "moe" shows, there are no such shots (Kanon, Clannad, Air)) is moe. Last Fall season we had Nyan Koi, Seitokai no Ichizon, Sora no Otoshimono, Shin Koihime Musou, Nogizaka 2.. These all are shows that if Zac watched them, his reaction would probably be like "uhgg, moe garbage". And these are the sort of ecchi/fanservice centric shows that, I'll agree, are really hurting the fanbase. I don't think "crappy shows with girls with over sized breasts" (lol Qwaser) is what they want. You say they're complaining that moe is overtaking their Witchbalde? lol. No, they're complaining moe is overtaking their Neon Genesis :p. You didn't find Balsa nice to look at? I mean, I wouldn't put her on a "hottest chicks list", but the animation quality and characters designs were just so good in that series, I definitely found her and everyone else in that series nice to look at. K-ON is a series I'd consider an actual "moe" title. (and note, that the series (well, season 1 at least) featured no to minimal fanservice (there were.. 2 beach eps? but I mean, they weren't your normal fanservice beach eps)). And I enjoy it. What, you don't like K-ON, you don't like Witchblade.. what do you like? |
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Metal_Slug
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Well I don't really see how Pixar is "heavily" influenced by anime, or how Disney is "heavily" copying it. Animation around the world obviously influences each other, but I don't see much of a connection between Pixar's films and anime, and especially the anime having been produced recently. Anime origins was heavily influenced by Disney origins though (if I remember correctly), I just don't think thats the case anymore, especially with the animators in Japan blocking off Pixar like they are. It just seems to me that they're insulting companies from America, who are obviously currently more successful than them (financially), while they aren't currently coming up with anything. I wouldn't mind so much if they were actually coming up with anything that I really liked anymore. I think focusing on the niche otaku crowds is a mistake, and that they should try to achieve mainstream again, instead of sitting around complaining, and pandering to the safe otaku crowd. |
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Metal_Slug
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I have the same "ughh, moe garbage" reaction. I can't even really look at moe shows or anything to do with moe because I'm just so sick and done with it, and it doesn't appeal to me whatsoever. (Unless you count Haruhi, which is the only moe anime or anime approaching moe that I ever felt was pretty good) And it really is hurting the fanbase, because its alienating those that don't appreciate the niche stuff, and driving fans away from the whole genre. And I personally was very refreshed by Moribito; the story, the animation quality and character designs, the no-moe element (lol), made me very appreciative. I didn't feel like it was the "best new thing", but it seemed like a step in the right direction. |
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4nBlue
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I don't see Hannah Montana - The Anime as something impossible. Like many have mentioned moe does not equal fanservice. And there has been many shoujo shows that have been also aimed at/gained popularity among otaku. Maria-sama ga Miteru was not originally aimed at male viewers but still gained popularity among otaku (MariMite books were the only shoujo light novel I saw at Toranoana's light novel section). Futari wa Pretty Cure was produced with both little girls and otaku as intented audiences (or so I have heard) and still there have been no controversies in countries it has been aired.
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loka
Posts: 373 Location: Pittsburgh, PA |
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so it's not just the moe-themed shows, but all moe-styled characters in general, that must be purged from anime for you to be pleased?
when I think of moe-centric student council anime, I think of Manabi Straight not Seitokai no Ichizon (did you really watch it?). Sora no Otoshimono has a moe-styled character or two so now it's moe garbage? Baka and Test had an even more obnoxiously moe character(s) and it was well received. |
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Sariachan
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I was reading the posts in this thread to understand what the podcast was about, since I didn't listen to it (I can't understand spoken English really well), and I found a couple of messages that had me lolling for minutes:
ROFLMAO Thank you guys, you just made my day. P.S. Imho a partial solution for Japanese animation would be starting to make anime based on children/teenages books again... think what a multiple-seasons anime on Harry Potter, one season for each novel, could do. |
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vashfanatic
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Welcome to the world of blanket generalizations and personal opinion. It also depends on what you mean by "religion-sponsored," I suppose.
I take it you've never heard of Souka Gakkai? Although you might have included them under NRMs. Still, they see themselves as orthodox Nichiren Buddhists.
Well, most Muslims take that as a metaphor, but the ones that don't... why does the idea of Osama Bin Laden sponsoring a moe anime appeal to my very black sense of humor?
Except that starting with book 4, the Harry Potter "seasons" would have to be twice as long! Still, an English/Japanese partnership to make quality Harry Potter anime could be great idea. The books are popular all around the world. It would be a total genre mash-up of school slice-of-life, fantasy, action, romance, comedy, and drama. Give it a good dub and presto! it gets aired on ABC Family with as much frequency as the live action movies. |
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AkiraKaneda
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Sure, I see that. A lot of Christian music that's decent is supported by labels that have secular ownership...in other words, they are selling to the Christian crowd, but the main thing is making money. (It's also why Christian music tends to be for the believer rather than the skeptic.)
It's the exception that proves the rule. Buddhists in general don't mind sharing their belief system -- in fact, you could say that it was encouraged by the Buddha himself -- but they aren't particularly active in doing so, at least not as the active Westerner would see it. Unlike Christianity, there's only so much at stake when one rejects or accepts Buddhism.
The mind reels. |
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doctordoom85
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Zac's "solution" was hilariously awesome.
LOL at the whole "Americans won't get it" deal. I laughed when I heard the creator of Serial Experiments Lain was surprised when the American audience had the same reactions as the Japanese audience, so this reminded me of that. I have no problem with "moe meets this". Moe meets horror/mindscrew/tests of friendship worked insanely well in Higurashi/When They Cry, and "moe meets tragic story" worked well in the "Key trilogy". I also don't mind moe (Lucky Star for example) that aren't creepy at all except to idiots who automatically judges anyone reading/watching a story that involves pre-teen/teen girls (you know who you are ). What I don't want is 90% of the season to be dominated by it. Thankfully, this isn't the case for the '10 season, or the R1 industry either. Dear lord, no, just NO on the whole "Christian anime" thing. I'm a Christian myself (well, semi, I have trouble accepting a few parts of the Bible, and homophobes can bite me), but that's the last thing I want to see, accurate or not. Double no to the Hannah Montana anime. So if we're not history buffs, is Night Raid still an enjoyable series? Because I'll admit, I have no idea what was going on between Japan and China in the 1930's. Can't blame me too much, by the time you get to that time period, history teachers seem more interested in only talking about events the US had a hand in (but I'll forgive my last one, as he was quite funny, especially his explanation on how "George Washington was an idiot sometimes"). Breaking Bad is definitely on my to-watch-list, but I need to finish collecting/watching the seasons of The Sopranos and Battlestar Galactica first. If I can talk him into it, me and my friend might check out How to Train a Dragon this weekend (we saw Kick-ass this past weekend, which rocked). |
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Pandadice
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If you read my post, you see where I said "last Fall season". That's why i mentioned Seitokai in stead of Manabi and I didn't mention Baka to Test. Alright, so Seitokai isn't really a fanservice centric series, and after I posted that, I realized that. I'd say it's much more of the comedy type of series Chi was mentioning. It's a comedy parody romance, and i'd say it's more a "moe" anime than like, Sora no Otoshimono. I guess "fanservice/ecchi centric" wasn't the right phrase. It's more just like "female cahracter focused" anime. Like, the anime where the whole focus on the series is just bishoujos, and nothing else. Sora no Otoshimono had more than just "a moe styled character or two". It's just a straight perverted harem comedy, and nothing else. The exact kind of mindless entertainment that Zac/other people complain about as "moe" anime. |
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