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Dakaran



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:44 pm Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
Dakaran wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:
Bottom line is as follows:

Canada is not a safe country to be bringing in doujin and certain types of anime. The law is not exact and will be subject to
interpretation, and you can be sure that interpretation WILL NOT be in your favor.


The law is exact and precise about everything on it in Canada concerning that stuff. We use common sense and it works great overall. As long as it doesn't deprive the children from a healthy growth and does not arouse adults like it would be porn I don't see a book or anime rejected for personal view or on TV. (airing time would change a bit if more mature I think)


The laws are no more exact, then similiar ones in Australia and
the United States. What one considers obscence really comes
down on who exactly is the one judging you. The only common
sense on this matter is not crossing the Canadian border with
anything that could be even considered slightly suspect.

Better to be safe, than have your life destroyed.


Canada laws have a bunch of provisions guaranteeing safe application of the law, at least minimizing the abuse. But as I said earlier if someone does abuse them overboard they will get smacked. :p

Go read the pdf if you don't believe me.

Examples I'll give:
Quote:
19. The material referred to in paragraph 18 would generally fail the community standard of tolerance test, not because it offends against morals, but because there is an appreciable risk of harm to society in the portrayal of such behaviour.
20. Harm in this context means that the material predisposes persons to act in an anti-social manner; in other words, in a manner which society recognizes as incompatible with its proper functioning.
21. The stronger the inference of harm, the lesser the likelihood of tolerance.
22. Explicit sex that is not violent is generally tolerated in Canadian society and will not qualify as the “undue exploitation of sex,” unless it employs children in its production.
23. Explicit sex that is either degrading or dehumanising but which does not have a substantial risk of harm does not qualify as the “undue exploitation of sex.”
Note: Each item must be judged on its own merit and in its entirety.
The Internal Necessities Test, Also Known as the Artistic Merit Defence
24. The last step in the analysis of whether the exploitation of sex is “undue” is the internal necessities test, or the artistic merit defence.
25. Material that, by itself, offends the community standard of tolerance will not be considered “undue” if the portrayal of sex is required for the serious treatment of a theme.
Memorandum D9-1-1 February 14, 2008
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26. The need to apply the internal necessities test arises only if a work contains sexually explicit material that might, in another context, constitute the “undue exploitation of sex.”
27. The portrayal of sex must be viewed in context to determine whether the exploitation of sex is the main object of the work or whether the portrayal of sex is essential to a wider artistic, literary or other similar purpose.
28. In other words, the internal necessities test, or the artistic merit defence, assesses whether the exploitation of sex has a justifiable role in advancing the plot or theme and, in considering the work as a whole, has a legitimate role in the work itself.
29. Any doubt in this regard must be resolved in favour of the freedom of expression, which, in practical terms, means that doubt as to whether or not goods constitute obscenity requires the release of those goods.


You won't get jailed or anything stupid for importing ONE or MANY book at a time as far as I know you will just be denied them and confiscated if they are outrageous. You only get a letter telling you why it's confined and what options you have.

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IMPORTERS’ RIGHTS
When Suspected Goods are Detained – Notification
2. An importer, whose goods are suspected of being obscene according to the legislation, will be provided with a written notice of detention containing the following information: a brief description of the goods detained as suspected obscenity; the port of entry where the goods are detained; the date of detention; and a contact name and telephone number. This information will be provided in the top portion of the Form K27, Notice of Detention/Determination.
3. Once a full review of the goods has been conducted, generally within 30 days of the date of detention, the importer will be notified of the determination in writing (i.e. whether the goods are prohibited or released).
4. If the goods are found to be admissible, the importer will receive a written notice of determination containing a brief description of the goods and the date of determination. This information will be provided by way of Part B of the Form K27. The goods will then be released to the importer, subject to the payment of any applicable duties and/or taxes.
5. If the goods are prohibited as obscenity, the importer will receive a written notice of determination containing the following information: a brief description of the goods; the date of determination; the reasons for prohibition; and a list of options available to the importer, including instructions for appeal. This information will be provided by way of Part B of the Form K27.
6. If a shipment contains more than one prohibited title, the Form K27A, Continuation Sheet, will be used by CBSA officials to indicate to the importer the specific reasons for which each title was prohibited. A completed Form K27A will then accompany the completed Form K27.


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When Goods Are Prohibited – Importers’ Rights
7. When goods are deemed to be obscene, and are therefore prohibited, the importer may exercise any one of the following options, as set out on the reverse of the Form K27, Notice of Detention/Determination:
a) the decision may be appealed by writing to the Customs Disputes Section of the Prohibited Importations Unit, at the address provided on the Form K27, within 90 days of the date of the determination, referring to the title of the material, the applicable Form K27 control number, and any other applicable information;
b) the goods may be exported, under customs control and at the importer's expense and arrangement; or
c) the goods may be abandoned to the Crown, pursuant to section 36 of the Customs Act, in which case the material will be destroyed, pursuant to section 142.
8. If the importer fails to appeal or to provide instructions either to export or to abandon the goods within 90 days of the date of decision, the goods will be considered forfeit and will be destroyed.


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OBSCENITY INDICATORS
1. When dealing with material where a dominant theme is the portrayal of sex, the indicators set out below apply.
Note: For the purposes of determining obscenity under tariff item 9899.00.00, the term “sex” includes depictions and/or descriptions (including illustrations and animation) of any oral, anal or vaginal penetration, masturbation and/or the full or partial exposure of genitalia, pubic regions, anal regions and/or female breasts, for the purposes of sexual arousal.
2. Goods containing one or more of the following indicators may be found to be obscene and prohibited entry into Canada, if it is established that the portrayal of sex is not essential to a wider artistic, literary or other similar purpose.
Depictions and/or descriptions of:
(a) Sex with degradation or dehumanisation, if the risk of harm is substantial, e.g.
(i) actual or implied urination, defecation or vomit onto or into another person, and/or the ingestion of someone else’s urine, feces or vomit, with a sexual purpose, excluding consensual urine onto another person;
(ii) ridicule and/or humiliation
(b) Sex with pain
(c) Sexual assault
(d) Sex with violence
(e) The taking of a human life for the purpose of sexual arousal
(f) Incest
(g) Bestiality
(h) Necrophilia
Note: Depictions and descriptions of sexual activities involving children and/or juveniles (persons under the age of 18) will generally constitute child pornography. (not always)


So there you go, something that make perfect sense to me and not abusive.
That sounds like a freakin robot i know that but man people doubting me when I deal with my own laws every day is knocking my socks off a bit Anime hyper


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:03 pm Reply with quote
Redlinks wrote:
GhstDreamer wrote:
This reminds me that being an arts teacher, I was going to show my 12 year old students Spirited Away because as part of the art curriculum, they need to do a comparison between Disney and Japanese animation. I figure Spirited Away contains important messages that can promote class discussion and it would've also keep the students' attention since many of them has never been introduced to animation besides American animation. However, administration told me it's not an appropriate movie to show children and this came down from the district board office. The scenes are too frightening and there's smoking in it. Rolling Eyes


Cause Spirited Away is the scariest movie ever. Rolling Eyes I hate stupid people like that. They clearly don't see the message that's in this movie. Though I can see why. I remember watching this movie in theaters and I do recall hearing a few kids crying at the "scary parts". But they were only like 2 or 3.


With a movie one only has to look at the ratings. If the film is considered PG, then it would be fine for 12 year olds. If the film is PG-13, then they're too young. But I believe Spirited Away was only PG so their argument isn't justified.

For the most part, it's only those who directly import from Japan that even need to be concerned with this, and even at that it's only going to really apply to some hentai. If you're getting the material from a company that's licensed the show for NA distribution then they're the ones that have to deal with whether the material is legal or not.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:06 pm Reply with quote
Dakaran wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:
Dakaran wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:
Bottom line is as follows:

Canada is not a safe country to be bringing in doujin and certain types of anime. The law is not exact and will be subject to
interpretation, and you can be sure that interpretation WILL NOT be in your favor.


The law is exact and precise about everything on it in Canada concerning that stuff. We use common sense and it works great overall. As long as it doesn't deprive the children from a healthy growth and does not arouse adults like it would be porn I don't see a book or anime rejected for personal view or on TV. (airing time would change a bit if more mature I think)


The laws are no more exact, then similiar ones in Australia and
the United States. What one considers obscence really comes
down on who exactly is the one judging you. The only common
sense on this matter is not crossing the Canadian border with
anything that could be even considered slightly suspect.

Better to be safe, than have your life destroyed.


Canada laws have a bunch of provisions guaranteeing safe application of the law, at least minimizing the abuse. But as I said earlier if someone does abuse them overboard they will get smacked. :p

Go read the pdf if you don't believe me.

Examples I'll give:
Quote:
19. The material referred to in paragraph 18 would generally fail the community standard of tolerance test, not because it offends against morals, but because there is an appreciable risk of harm to society in the portrayal of such behaviour.
20. Harm in this context means that the material predisposes persons to act in an anti-social manner; in other words, in a manner which society recognizes as incompatible with its proper functioning.
21. The stronger the inference of harm, the lesser the likelihood of tolerance.


That sounds like a freakin robot i know that Anime hyper


All that you referenced still comes down to intrepretation. There
are no safeguards. The laws do not strictly spell out what is illegal
and what is okay. Age, image, representations, and fictional
depictations are all left up in the clouds, with only vague words
that will have to be interpreted and then applied.

It all still comes down to each person's interpretation, and since
anime and the doujin are niche markets, the odds are not in our
favor.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:17 pm Reply with quote
Daemonblue wrote:
That said, I still don't agree with that Canadian law and it's one of the few reasoins I dislike Canada

In case this dislike is only directed towards the country you mention, one must remind you that similar laws to the one in question are now firmly in place in many English-speaking regions.

vashfanatic wrote:
And as for "secondary sexual features," I'd guess they're mostly talking about breasts and pubic hair. If a female character is flat as a board and hasn't got a lick of hair on here, you don't get to pretend that she's 18.

It is worth noting that there exist many cases that abide by the restriction you express, but would nonetheless appear somewhat suspect if intercepted by the relevant authorities. For this reason, similar legislation elsewhere does not impose such restrictions on the bodily attributes of fictional depictions, which in turn creates further ambiguities once one considers notably stylised works.
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Dakaran



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:17 pm Reply with quote
TarsTarkas wrote:
Dakaran wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:
Dakaran wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:
Bottom line is as follows:

Canada is not a safe country to be bringing in doujin and certain types of anime. The law is not exact and will be subject to
interpretation, and you can be sure that interpretation WILL NOT be in your favor.


The law is exact and precise about everything on it in Canada concerning that stuff. We use common sense and it works great overall. As long as it doesn't deprive the children from a healthy growth and does not arouse adults like it would be porn I don't see a book or anime rejected for personal view or on TV. (airing time would change a bit if more mature I think)


The laws are no more exact, then similiar ones in Australia and
the United States. What one considers obscence really comes
down on who exactly is the one judging you. The only common
sense on this matter is not crossing the Canadian border with
anything that could be even considered slightly suspect.

Better to be safe, than have your life destroyed.


Canada laws have a bunch of provisions guaranteeing safe application of the law, at least minimizing the abuse. But as I said earlier if someone does abuse them overboard they will get smacked. :p

Go read the pdf if you don't believe me.

Examples I'll give:
Quote:
19. The material referred to in paragraph 18 would generally fail the community standard of tolerance test, not because it offends against morals, but because there is an appreciable risk of harm to society in the portrayal of such behaviour.
20. Harm in this context means that the material predisposes persons to act in an anti-social manner; in other words, in a manner which society recognizes as incompatible with its proper functioning.
21. The stronger the inference of harm, the lesser the likelihood of tolerance.


That sounds like a freakin robot i know that Anime hyper


All that you referenced still comes down to intrepretation. There
are no safeguards. The laws do not strictly spell out what is illegal
and what is okay. Age, image, representations, and fictional
depictations are all left up in the clouds, with only vague words
that will have to be interpreted and then applied.

It all still comes down to each person's interpretation, and since
anime and the doujin are niche markets, the odds are not in our
favor.


That law is clear as crystal water to me what's OK and not being a Canadian I understand our morals and standards. When founded the Canada prioritized the children health and growth, the welfare of individuals to be treated on equal grounds, freedom of speech and pursue of a better community.

As stated in the law as long as it's not outrageous or like pics that would arouse someone to masturbate, showing two children having sex and such etc is tolerated generally on most grounds. That law was held cleanly as far as I have seen the past 15 years. I don't get it why it's not clear to you with so many provision explaining it?

Read my post again I added stuff on page 3 in case you ain't reading the whole pdf for some reason. ;p IF it's out of that range of conditions and they aren't met then the goods are brought to the citizen; IF something is doubted and you prove it then it will be accepted; Many number of exceptions can be made if the circumstances are not to freakin abuse or molest a child, and it does not demonstrate PORNOGRAPHY then it could be tolerated.

Tolerance in Canada should be noted as high for the artistic freedom but VERY THIN for children abuse...that's our pet peeve so to say, so as long as it's posing a considerable risk for the healthy growth of children and society or present an obvious portrayal sexual relations you better get out with it. ;p


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:43 pm Reply with quote
Such criteria about secondary characteristics is still ambiguous: lacking big breasts and pubic hair must mean underage? really?

What do they say about a doujin or explicit fan-artwork with Nagi from Kannagi then? Or how about Rukia from Bleach? Or other adult characters who looks as such

But what of the opposite, where the girls do are drawn with breasts and pubic hair but are known to be under 18.. like Yoko from TTGL (who's 14) and any of the Ikkitousen characters?

That would be ironic.. the officer looking at it would say, oh it's just regular porn! "But sir, they're children!!"

(and of course, the fact that violence is not subject to the same scrutiny speaks of the mindset of current english-speaking western societies -- e.g. in the US, a work, no matter how violent or gory, cannot be considered legally "obscene" if it has no sex)

Dakaran wrote:

Canada laws have a bunch of provisions guaranteeing safe application of the law, at least minimizing the abuse. But as I said earlier if someone does abuse them overboard they will get smacked. :p

Go read the pdf if you don't believe me.

Examples I'll give:
Quote:

19. The material referred to in paragraph 18 would generally fail the community standard of tolerance test, not because it offends against morals, but because there is an appreciable risk of harm to society in the portrayal of such behaviour.
20. Harm in this context means that the material predisposes persons to act in an anti-social manner; in other words, in a manner which society recognizes as incompatible with its proper functioning.
21. The stronger the inference of harm, the lesser the likelihood of tolerance.
22. Explicit sex that is not violent is generally tolerated in Canadian society and will not qualify as the “undue exploitation of sex,” unless it employs children in its production.
23. Explicit sex that is either degrading or dehumanising but which does not have a substantial risk of harm does not qualify as the “undue exploitation of sex.”



That sounds even worse in some ways actually (and still just as subject to interpretation and abuse)...

Most laws that are based on regulating behavior, especially preemptively, or determining so-called harm by an increasing propensity for so-called anti-social behavior by how much deviation there is from some prescribed norm, that tests the tolerance of some community, is still based some ultimately based on personal "morals" despite what is said in #19, which itself is contradictory.

The only things such laws do is create new criminals were there were none. If you really want to have a truly just, ethical laws, that addresses *real* harm you need to look at it more from a scientific black box perspective: first put whatever a person is doing behind a black box and measure the actual external effects.

It's the same way drunk driving laws are ethical: if a person is drunk, they cannot drive properly. We can prove the theory and confirm it empirically. i.e. person does "action-A". We don't know what action-A is, and should not at this point. We look at its effects. Then we see that for every single person who does action-A, they simply cannot drive properly. There is no person doing action-A who ends up driving fine.

Now we look at action-A and formulate why it is so and can now determine a law, modeled similar to scientific law (or mathematical law) that says: yes, this action constitutes real harm. Meaning every time they do such things, someone nearby gets hurt, even when we are *unaware* of them doing such things.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:33 pm Reply with quote
Ah man, common sense. Ikki Tousen is legal here. They look adults more than anything or older teens very close to it not some 10 years old geez.

were there were none
Where there were none
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:42 pm Reply with quote
@Dakaran

It is all right and good if Canada wants to be a strongly moral
country.

But these laws as they pertain to anime and manga have nothing
to do with child abuse, and plenty to do with Canada's moving to
a higher morality level.

The higher morality goes, the lower tolerance goes. That is the
natural order.

As to what is accepted and lawful, that is still subject to the
interpretation of the customs official and eventually the prosecutor.
You can keep on saying there are protections and that the law
would only go after those that blantantly break the law, but we all
know better than that. If it is not written out in easy to
understand language, and spelled out in detail, then it isn't worth
anything.

If the Canadians want to travel down this path, more power to
them. It's their country and they have to live in it. But it is right
to warn others that they enter Canada with anime and manga at
their own risk. Even American's know that to trust the forbearance
of the government, when it comes to laws subject to interpretation,
is foolish.

I said my piece. I don't want to get in trouble with ANN by droning
on more. You can have the last word.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:04 pm Reply with quote
Dakaran wrote:
The_Q wrote:
Nemo_N wrote:
BitShifter wrote:
Dakaran wrote:
Things are pretty cool around here, and I haven't had problems with laws when reading, watching TV or internet shows. It comes to using your head for common sense and apply it to what you do.

As long as you don't abuse your way out of the system and the laws in place you will be fine.

Exactly; it really is simple. Don't write any words that government/society doesn't want you to write, don't draw any pictures that government/society doesn't want you to draw, don't read any words that government/society doesn't want you to read, and don't look at any drawings that government/society doesn't want you to see. And while you're at it, don't fantasize or have any thoughts that government/society doesn't want you to have. Remember--they're only after the perv-y stuff, which we all know when we see it, and is universally defined. It's not like they're going to come after your Negima.

Of course, in the latest Negima volume, Rakan-san uses his "silent strip" technique to remove the panties from one of Fate-sama's apparently underage magic girls, then sniffs them and licks them. But there's nothing sexual about that; I'm sure that no border guard is going to misinterpret that comical scene as something perv-y or illegal.


This whole post is awesome.


Agreed. It's been a while since I've seen such ownage in a single post. Laughing


Americans really love a la Jerry Springer drama eh? I understand you fought your wars to establish your country but it's about time to let it go and not poke fun at serious statement.


I don't see how this is Jerry Springer type drama at all. You said something that someone disagreed with, and using sarcasm, they sufficiently defeated what you said and many people agreed with them. No one is making fun of your statement.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:38 pm Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
Daemonblue wrote:
That said, I still don't agree with that Canadian law and it's one of the few reasoins I dislike Canada

In case this dislike is only directed towards the country you mention, one must remind you that similar laws to the one in question are now firmly in place in many English-speaking regions.


It was a slight miswording on my part, and should have said "one of the things I dislike about Canada." I can give an example of things I dislike about other countries as well, of course including the United States where I live, but all countries have their good and bad points. Sorry if it sounded like I hate all Canadians or anything like that :X

@ Dakaran, just because it's precise doesn't mean it's "good," and "common sense" is becoming less common these days. Laws that rely on common sense (which I find there to be a lack of in the law itself, but I digress) for enforcement shouldn't be laws. I'd say more, but then I'd only really be repeating what other people have said.
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Man, some of you guys are WAY overreacting. Canada is not moving to a 'higher morality'. We're still very much a liberal country. Like Tempest said, this is not a new law being put out, it's simply a guide for how Canadian Customs deals with our mail. Quite frankly, I'm glad they released this information, as it gives a fairly clear guide of what we're allowed to import here, and what we're not. Before there was a large grey area, and, thanks to some of the info posted in this forum, there isn't anymore. At least, for me, anyway.
Not to mention that some of you guys didn't even seem to read the article properly. When you start making claims that shows like Negima!, Gurren Lagann, Elfen Lied, etc are potentially illegal here, it's quite obvious you didn't read the article fully.
To say that Canada has become a country that hates freedom of speech and wants to oppress its citizens is absolutely ridiculous. If anything, this a country that cares deeply about the freedom and rights of its citizens.
I think some of you guys need to take a look at some of the laws in your own countries before going on some big Canada bashing rant based soley on the practices of Canadian Customs. As the saying goes, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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AntztheGreat wrote:
Hey, if these guidelines prevent Strike Witches from being brought into Canada then I fully endorse them.


Nope, the laws don't seem to apply to Strike Witches, which I was able to buy at a Canadian retail establishment (Comic Book Shoppe, Bank St., Ottawa) without incident. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:29 pm Reply with quote
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Nope, the laws don't seem to apply to Strike Witches, which I was able to buy at a Canadian retail establishment (Comic Book Shoppe, Bank St., Ottawa) without incident. Wink


Awesome store, I miss going to it now that I'm in TO.

Anyway, I have to give a big *EYEROLL* to a good number of people in this thread. This law is only going to affect things that are actually pornographic in nature. You're regular, mainstream titles? Not going to be touched. The idea that people should be "worried" about what titles they bring into Canada is just ridiculous.

Unless you have kiddie porn, of course. In which case, forgive me if I don't have much sympathy.
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Canada is becoming a freedom of speech and civil liberties nightmare. I really wouldn't even visit that country now. They really need to re-haul some of their laws. The only thing they got right in the past several years was allowing gay marriage.


Yeah, what a crappy country. I mean all they got right is providing one of the most basic of rights that was long, long overdue to a large portion of the population. So yeah...I guess there's that if you care about that kind of thing.

But of course, when it comes to the really important stuff like giving a tiny handful of creeps the right to wack off to erotic drawings of kids...well they're still living in the dark ages! Why the hell can't they be more like those other countries...um...what were the names of all those countries that don't have at least some kind of similar law again? They seem to have slipped my mind.

P.S. Hows that whole 'legalizing gay marriage' thing going for y'all? Not so good? Oh well. You'll get it eventually.
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I think it's unfair to use pubic hair as a criteria for how old a character is in animation or illustrative work. Hair in general is hard to draw. How do you draw pubic hair for a character who has light hair? You can't use black lines (wrong hair color) and light colored lines don't show up against the color of skin very well.

There's really no way to visually depict pubic hair correctly unless you're trying to depict them as being fully "carpeted." Just look how hair is drawn on the head, even in close up shots, it looks like one solid flowing mass, not a collection of drawings of individual hairs. Because of that technical detail it is easier to just omit pubic hair or any place where the hair coverage is not thick and full like on the head.

Most men have at least sparse hair on their arms and legs, but do you ever see arm or leg hair drawn on them? Again, omitted to save the necks and sanity of animators and artists everywhere.
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