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RestLessone
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I'm not sure, really. I was always under the impression she was single. Of course, I don't even know where I got that from--I think it might have just of an assumption. I really don't see too many married mangaka, when I think about it. Most of them are young and single or older but living alone, or go under a penname and don't speak about personal lives past their favorite food, colors, video games, and pets. Also, I don't recall her making any comments about a spouse or child. |
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jenthehen
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Yeah ... I guess they are more private than "famous" people in the United States  It might also be hard to have a family and be a mangaka in Japan :/
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RestLessone
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Yeah, most of them don't even make that much money and their time is consumed with drawing (especially those in weekly magazines). I'd assume people take a break from it when they have kids, just because there isn't enough time to juggle taking care of them and doing their job. Of course, there probably are artists who chose their art over their kid, but that always has some unintended, negative consequences. /: |
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Takeyo
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Comic LO is not a doujinshi. It's a professionally published, monthly anthology. . . . and, yeah, I feel icky for even knowing that. |
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Shadowrun20XX
 Posts: 1935 Location: Vegas |
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What makes a sequel? Money and a fanbase. Obviously if they are announcing a sequel, people like KNJ and have the money to back it up. Blame, point and make up shit, there is more KNJ on the way.
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jenthehen
Posts: 835 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio |
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Oh wow, I did not realize that! |
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Annf
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Watashi Kaworu is married. I don't think she has children; if she does, she's kept quiet about it.
In addition to KnJ, she's also currently writing a 4-panel comic called Dame Yome Nikki ("Obsessed Wife Diary"), though I don't know if she's ever stated it to be autobiographical. 
I'm a fan of KnJ, and jenthehen said pretty much everything I would say about it. Off-hand I'd guess a far larger percentage of fans appreciate the sexy children stuff as "lolololol omg so wrong" taboo humor (otaku love that) rather than as something to fap to, simply because, while otaku love their high school girls, there really aren't that many into nine-year-olds, despite internet memes to the contrary. (There's a reason the aforementioned Comic LO stands alone amidst a sea of monthly adult manga magazines full of teenagers, office ladies, and other-men's-wives.) |
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hissatsu01
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Oh those inscrutable Japanese. KnJ dakimakura (scroll down the page a bit) Silly westerners see depictions of nearly naked little girls in what they misinterpret as sexy poses on a body pillow and they get the wrong idea, while the Japanese merely see cute, lovable characters without a trace of titillation involved. Yep, that's the ticket. Not a disingenuous claim at all. Why is it so rare for people to ever show up and claim to like KnJ or other lolicon oriented material for the fanservice? C'mon, let your freak flag fly! You're going to get a lot of grief, but I at least would find the honesty refreshing. I don't think it's impossible to like the show for the plot, but I find the almost complete absence of fans who actually admit to liking the fanservice just a bit unlikely. (If seemingly 95% of Ikki Tousen and Queen's Blade fans claimed to watch it for the gripping plot, you wouldn't be the least bit skeptical?) What a strange marketing strategy, to heavily emphasize fanservice in a show and its associated merchandise, then have next to no one admit to liking that fanservice. I guess the people who buy the merchandise buy it for the ironic value. Last edited by hissatsu01 on Wed May 12, 2010 9:57 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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jenthehen
Posts: 835 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio |
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I do enjoy the fanservice ... it was mentioned about it being "omg lolol taboo!!" and I can appreciate that - and I remember talking about a lot of sexual things w/ my friends that I didn't fully understand when I was the age of the characters, too - so it kind of pokes fun at those types of memories. There is also kind of a ... morbid curiosity as to how far she can go ... I mean, for anyone up to date, could you believe that they actually published the part where Mimi learned spoiler[to use a tampon?] I'm not even sure how that was fanservice - doesn't that gross most males out? Anyway ... as for the hug pillows - at least they have the sexy teacher in there I admit to owning the 3 KnJ nendoroids + the Max Factory figure of Rin ... I feel I should support the franchise somehow if I can't get legit English copies. 
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hissatsu01
Posts: 963 Location: NYC |
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No matter how out there it seems, there's an audience that gets off on it. If people can get off on 2 girls 1 cup (ugh) and crush videos (mostly women in high heels stomping small live animals to death - a recent supreme court ruling overturned a federal ban on those - double ugh), then tampons seem relatively mundane. As for enjoying the fanservice, like I said before, I don't care for it, but whatever floats your boat. The honesty is appreciated. |
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luffypirate
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I'll admit to liking Kojika for the fanservice and the controversy. Thats what originally got me into it. I'm a sucker for those taboo type anime shows. I like to see how far they will push the envelope. To tell you the truth, the censored version makes the show look more offensive than it actually is.
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Annf
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The topic of "Japanese reactions" came up a little earlier in the thread. Here's the 2ch thread regarding the announcement of the new OVA:
http://gimpo.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/moeplus/1273499828/ And it has: ・Obligatory discussion on laws, free speech, and banning things ・Debate on "just what is Kojika about?" "It's a smut comic that excuses the smut by tossing in serious stories!" "No, it's a serious story that ropes in readers by teasing them with smut!" "No it's not!" "Is too!" "Is not!" ・"Pedos don't like this, they prefer innocent kids." ・”Stuff like KnJ brings a bad image and causes general censorship.” ・"Keep it off TV and stick to OVAs." →(1) "Yeah, so they can be more explicit with it." →(2) "Yeah, so it doesn't attract unwanted attention." →"Watashiya Kaworu is too minor to attract any attention to speak of." ・”otaku who like this sort of thing need to understand that they’re on the abnormal fringe” →”it’s because of outsiders like you that everyone’s going on and on about child porn and crap and the real problem of abusive parents gets overlooked. diaf.” ・”Otaku get to enjoy the things they like because they keep it quiet and out of sight. I don’t know how some of them got the idea they’d be accepted as normal and that it was a good idea to ‘challenge the limits of free speech’ or whatever. The ones who don’t know their place are a bother to us all and need to disappear.” →”No, it’s precisely at times like the current situation that we can’t back down.” ・”I don’t like Agnes either, but this manga is disturbing even to me.” ・”If you ask me, it’s the people who see something erotic in KnJ that are the dangerous ones. A normal person would just see it as a precocious kid.” ・”If they can’t control themselves, then there’s no choice but to pass regulations.” →”It’s exactly by using manga to control themselves has resulted in Japan having a lower sex crime rate than other countries.” ・”Whee, it’s a bunch of guys lured into reading KnJ for the porn desperately trying to come up with excuses. That might fly here on this board but you’d be treated as crazy anywhere else.” ・”I’ve seen screen caps from this before and my reaction was ‘I hope this stuff goes away,” seriously.” ・”Crappy anime like this need to die” ・”I love this anime lol” ・”If you turn down the fanservice, it’s not much different than Hanamaru Kindergarten.” ・”You guys keep talking about how great the story is, but you know the main reason people read/watch this is for fanservice.” ・”What do women think when they read this comic? I’m a man but even I found it disgusting.” →”Actually it’s the sort of story women would tend to like more than men.” →”Yeah and the artwork is female-style, too.” ・”The only thing I remember about this anime was that her hair looked like it would be heavy.” →”lol I thought the same thing” …and lots more, so there’s a variety of opinions, even on "otaku haven" 2ch. |
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Swissman
Posts: 768 Location: Switzerland |
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It's not as simple as that Zac, because the definition of the subject alone is already where we strongly disagree with each other. "Striptease for the audience", if Myaow means that the audience is supposed to be aroused in a sexual way by the visual depiction of the main character, then no, I do not agree as far as the first volumes of the manga are concerned. But I'm sure you won't agree with me here too, so let's agree to disagree.
It would be far more interesting and enlightening to see how and why issues of sexuality/gender are being brought up in a gag manga like KnJ, and to contextualize those issues to concepts of love and sexuality in japanese society - something like author Sonja Ryang does in her book "love in modern japan" in relation to enjokosai for example - instead of debating passionately about so-called "fanservice". Maybe your future columnist Brian Ruh can write someday an article about such a delicate topic.
Huh? No 
Fair enough, but you do realize that I was talking about the manga and not about any derived merchandising of the franchise, do you? |
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keikanki
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On the flipside of this are the people who criticize KnJ on the implicit premise that the sexualization of minors is a universally accepted abomination, if not crime, that the effects of culture have no bearing on. That's obviously never true, and so there are examples of misunderstanding on both sides of the KnJ debate. Given the relatively low incidence of actual child molestations in the US, people have compared the social/political situation today to the McCarthy era, when people with the slightest suspicions of Communist sympathies were dragged before the Congressional HUAC and viciously slandered, forced out of their jobs and/or imprisoned. Of course, while this was all going on the influence of Communism was expanding and in many parts of the world there was nothing special about possessing communist propaganda (if you had a choice) and obviously today the HUAC doesn't exist and media is free to explore the subject with complete artistic freedom. The substance of the comparison may not apply to lolicon, but the spirit does. I don't know about perceiving KnJ as an innocent situational comedy, but it's certainly possible to perceive it as something more straightforward than the stigmatized super-yuck some people make it out to be. Unless and until statistics demonstrate otherwise, it's only rational to assume a KnJ fan is just as unlikely to be a seekrit serial child rapist as a person dragged before Congress in 1947 was likely to be a treasonous Soviet agent provocateur. In that light the aspersions some people cast against the show's defenders are both funny and sad. |
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chicogrande
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I wonder what would have happened if Kojika had been treated like "Koi Kaze," the DVD about the forbidden love between a brother and sister who had not grown up together? It is a controversial subject, but I think it was handled seriously and not totally Otaku-sized like "Kodomo no Jikan". |
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