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ljaesch
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Great article, Mike! I learned so much about 1960's anime from reading this column. I'm looking forward to reading more of your ANN columns in the future.
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Youkai Warrior
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That was a very interesting and educational article. I don't know if I'll ever see the anime you mentioned, but it's amazing (and dreadful) of how much anime has changed since then. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't consider anime that came out in the 90s as old school. By the way, some of the best anime came out before 2002. At least to me it did. Great article, Mike!
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Ktimene's Lover
 Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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One thing is for sure: If I ever found a VHS of Space Ace or any other of these really obscure titles, that would roughly rate as an 8 on Justin's ObscuroMeter.
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DuelLadyS
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But at least you'd know what to look for- that's the best part about these articles. I remember when ANN's first posted of one of 'Mike's Dubs That Time Forgot' panels (which need to come to my side of the country!). I went to the Dollar store a few days after watching it- and found a DVD called 'Tobor and Friends'. Needless to say, I bought it immedately.  I wouldn't have known to without that video. (Now, if I can just find a copy of The Enchanted Journey...)
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E-Master
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I'm familiar with most of those 60s anime that was listed on that topic. I would like to see some of them, but the closest things I could find were the opening intros swimming on youtube.
Back ya, when it comes to anime I never judge it by it's age or animation. |
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Ktimene's Lover
Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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Now, finding a VHS of the original Astro Boy dubbed would be very interesting.
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StudioToledo
 Posts: 847 Location: Toledo, U.S.A. |
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Bothering to add my two cents to the article:
It was Nippon Animation, not TMS, that did Future Boy Conan, but I can understand the reasons given some of the staffers involved. The usual "limited animation" seen in anime is 8 frames per second, technically 8 drawings for every second or "3's" as they would say in the animation industry. Normal domestic animation is to animate on "2's" (12 fps), with some feature-length productions taking on "1's" (24 fps). Two cents over!
There were cartoons shown in the 50's, but often these tend to be anywhere from the silent era to the early sound era of the 30's as many seedy film distributors often sold whatever they could find to unsuspecting TV stations to stick on during a show hosted by a clown or a cowboy or a space cadet. My mom grew up in this era and often told me of the kind of odd things she saw. We also had companies like Sterling and Fima Noveck/Flamingo that often acquired a number of foreign animated productions, especially out of Eastern Europe, and passed them off as "new cartoons" that often relied less of accurate translations since they simply made up the narration as it went along. It wasn't long until some major studios ended up selling off their back library of cartoons to these small-time companies that later provided stations with such gems as Porky Pig, Betty Boop and others, though the original names like Warner Bros. and Paramount would be removed from all titles through contract stipulations. These Hollywood studios would never see their films again until decades later through mergers and other re-acquistionings. If anything, the sudden appearance of Astro Boy, Gigantor and Prince Planet gave something of an alternative to the recycled and exhausted repeats of those earlier cartoons as they were essentially original and new to the TV medium. The closest some Americans saw to something originally made-for-tv when it came to animation was essentially Hanna-Barbera, but also other small time offerings like Colonel Bleep, Crusader Rabbit or the crap that Sam Singer was churning out.
In some way it did (hate to put Battle of the Planets in the same breath but that show pretty much was also part of that as well), despite the fact that there was still quite a few interesting stuff made in the pre-Star Wars anime scene as well.
That's how I want it.
Someone else probably answered this already, but it's often said to be inspired by the sitcom Bewitched, which began airing sometime in Japan just before Sally the Witch was created. The opening animation though of the show may also remind you of Tom & Jerry the way it has a mouse throwing things at Sally but is then chased off by a brush that is turned into a cat.
I read someplace it had an ending as well.
I grew up in the Voltron generation myself though and would consider that oldskool anyway.
It's sad for you guys since they should at least make these things available for both countries anyway. Prince Planet isn't going to find any takers up north anytime soon.
I suggest finding an episode on 16mm film like I do! I've seen them pop up on eBay now and then. Lately I ended up finding some cool gems this way like a show called "Kum Kum" that Sunrise worked on years before the first Gundam showed up. There's one old-school anime I can think of that I've only ever rediscovered after having seen some episodes back in the early 80's called "Manga Sekai Mukashi Banashi". Boy that was something, a lot of noted staffers on that one, yet it gets kinda downgraded and forgotten among a sea of budget VHS tapes and DVD's if you can find episodes in English (and somehow handled by Jim Terry's company so the acting is typical). Some episodes can be had on YouTube right now if you bother checking it out. |
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Ktimene's Lover
Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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One of the first anime titles I saw was Mazinger Z back in kindergarten or first grade. That is a sort of a dub that time forgot.
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StudioToledo
Posts: 847 Location: Toledo, U.S.A. |
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Would this be the dub that aired on CBN or the "Tranzor Z" version? That's a toughie! |
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Mike Toole
 SubscriberANN Columnist  Posts: 105 Location: THE GOOD OLE U-S-A |
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I think that calling Manga Calendar anime is a stretch, based on the bit I've seen. it's more like "still photos and pictures with occasional animation". You know, like that old Dick Tracy show from UPA!
The name change is actually a neat shout-out to Yokoyama's original. He'd wanted to call the character Sunny, but his editors feared a lawsuit from Nissan, so the name was changed. Also, I'm cool with calling the guy Shocking Alberto; his hair is pretty shocking, if you ask me.
HURRY UP JUSTIN
Kitaro's getting his own column down the line. There are a few other shows I skipped talking about in detail, either for brevity, because I simply hadn't seen a single second of footage, or because they're going to be discussed in much more detail in a column I've already got planned. It's up to you all to guess which ones are which.
I've talked to some Aussie fans who grew up in the late 60s and early 70s, and they've told me similar stories. Would love, love, LOVE to find some portion of the old Space Ace and Ogon Bat (Phantoma) dubs. Footage of Ken the Wolf Boy has survived (famously dubbed by Daws Butler and Don Messick, but only aired in Australia) but not the former two, for some reason. They've gotta be out there somewhere!
Nah, it's just been cyclical in the US. The 60s was the first wave, the late 70s saw the 2nd wave with Battle of the Planets and Star Blazers. The 80s brought us Robotech and Voltron, the 90s had Sailor Moon and Dragonball and Pokemon. The emergence of the internet and the persistence of media (both online and off) has seen anime carve a longer-term niche since then, but relatively speaking, we're in a valley. Anime will produce another breakout hit that will fuel some new growth, it's just a question of when.
I've seen two episodes and think it's kind of quaint, but still pretty damn funny. It's like a bawdier anime version of the Flintstones.
It's coming. Will probably coincide with the release of the 2nd Gundam UC OVA in the fall.
That's easy, just convince your local con to fly me out there. Because we all know that cons are rich and love giving schlubs like me free trips! Thanks for all of the comments, gang. I've already got nearly 30 subjects lined up for future columns (and several either complete or nearly-complete); the only thing keeping this biweekly is my day job (I keep very busy) and the need for research. Also, watching cartoons. ALWAYS with the watching cartoons! |
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reanimator
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I wonder Mike O'Toole got hold of Animage Original. It has regular column by director Gisaburo Sugii where he visits old Tezuka Pro artists with photos and first Astro boy production images. Sugii himself was Tezuak Pro animator back then, so it's nice to have someone who can remember good' ol' days. What I like about Mike's article is that it's concise. I wouldn't want to bore readers with over-informative facts.
For me, oldest Japanese animation I watched as a kid were 70's robot anime and Tatsunoko anime. I recently watched first Astroboy through Netflix. |
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agila61
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Quite. It should be released on an official ad-stream channel at YouTube, which does not have the US-only restrictions that Hulu is built upon (or Crunchyroll, though Crunchyroll is not likely to run a petition drive for it like the current petition drive to get Bleach simulcasts). |
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PurpleWarrior13
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Amazing article! I'm very fascinated by really old anime. It never ceases to intrigue me. Cyborg 009 is probably the one out of those that I am most familiar with. I've seen a few 1960s 009 episodes with English subs. Though my favorite 009 series is probably the 1970s one. I really hope Mike Toole does an article on 1970s anime because I don't know much about them, but I really really want to! The history of anime really is a fascinating subject!
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Shadowrun20XX
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doc-watson42
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See The Chronological List of Television Anime Series in Japan from 1962 to 2002, though it does not have Three Tales. Quoting from the article:
Actually, it did, but it was bankrupt, and in litigation until 1997—see its site for timelines of its works by medium, and Fred Patten's Watching Anime, Reading Manga: 25 Years of Essays and Reviews pages 147–8, 170, 199, 231, and 320 (I recommend this book highly).
For more on this, see "U.S. Anime Before ‘63? There Was No Such Thing." and Astro Boy and Anime Come to the Americas: An Insider's View of the Birth of a Pop Culture Phenomenon page 129, both by Fred Ladd (Animation World Magazine Volume 1, No. 5 is a gift that just keeps on giving to me). Errinundra's mention of Australia reminded me of the site Glen Johnson's 60's Anime (since Mr. Johnson seems to be Australian). (Hi, Mike! Yes, I did enjoy the article—really.) |
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