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enurtsol
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Heh, if Inception is a remake, then everything is a remake. I could find similarities in anything and everything. Especially with such low standards of qualifications. Trust me.
(Nah, actually my friends are more of film buffs than I am, so they'd beat me to it.  )
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mdo7
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US has acknowleged that any remake of Asian movie will have their original sources on their credit. When the Lake House (which was a remake of a Korean film, Il Mare) was made, the credit put "based on Il Mare" on there. Asian remake can claim it's their own film too. Do you know the Korean movie, H. Why does the plot line resemble Silence of the Lamb and Seven combined and guess what it felt like this film was a rip-off of these 2, yet no western audience complain (only Asian would). Don't give me the "Asia doesn't pretend that it's their own film" logic crap. What about this Korean film? What would happen if Japan did really remake Twilight and a lot of our horror movie like Carrie, The Shining got Japanese remake, would that be OK and say "Japanese is superior, All hail Japan". You know what GATSU, how do I know you're not being a hypocrite (and also maybe a Japanese supremacist). According to your logic, we should hate Star War because Lucas according to your logic "rip-off" Kurosawa's film. |
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Unholy_Nny
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For some reason I keep forgetting to mention The Cell whenever this conversation pops up...
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ikillchicken
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It's 'coincidence' because you do this all the time. You repeatedly state these wild, speculative claims as fact and for once, as it turned out what you claimed was slightly true. That doesn't mean your reasoning was in any way sound. And of course it's American fans. As I said, the people who make this a big thing are primarily a bunch of insecure American anime nerds who like to act superior by dumping all over everything American and playing up how their own alternative hobby is better.
This is where it's tough to believe you're even serious. Okay, Paprika was the inspiration for the concept of technology that let you enter dreams. Fair enough. Maybe there's even a couple brief and minor little instances where scenes or images are the same. How can you seriously leap from that to 'It's a remake'!? You completely ignore the fact that they're two totally separate movies otherwise. Paprika is about such a device used for therapy being stolen and used to make people kill themselves in real life and the protagonists trying to track this guy down and eventually this results in the dream world merging with reality. Inception however is essentially a caper movie about the act of actually manipulating people's dreams. There aren't really any major parallels between the characters. At best, Ellen Page's character is partially inspired by the main character from Paprika but then her role in the story is totally different, she's not even the main character any more. How that constitutes a 'remake' is beyond me. By that reasoning, half of all movies are remakes. |
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achim
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i don't really see any similarity between the 2 movies, maybe Christopher Nolan was inspired by Yasutaka Tsutsui's 1993 novel Paprika which the anime movie is an adaption of
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GATSU
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And there's no dream manipulation in Paprika? |
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mdo7
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I sometime refer to those people as Japanese supremacists and ironically they're not even ethnically Japanese. As I said, if US remake a Japanese/Asian film then they will complain. If it's Japan remaking a American film, they'll say this: "(bleep) the American version, Japanese pwns all. The American version doesn't have (bleep) on the Japanese remake". I seen this a lot and I do know Asian film that rip off American film (beside H). There's a Japanese film that might have ripped off or inspire by Hostel or Saw. |
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DKL
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We're talking about a fanbase that most likely, by and large, somehow found the live-action Death Note movies to be acceptable filmmaking...
I don't know what to say. |
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GATSU
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DKL: Compared to what we'll inevitably get with the DN remakes, the Japanese films are acceptable film-making.
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mdo7
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GATSU, let me ask you this. What would happen if Japan (or any part of Asia) decided to remake American film? Would that be OK to you? Because if you're going to complain about how American film looks/resemble to Japanese film/anime/manga. You're going to have to do the same thing for Japan/Asia when they remake a American film/adapting western stories. Otherwise, you're acting like a damn Asian/Japanese supremacist. |
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jtstellar
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did not once pop in your mind? "it sounds like"? again let's just go back to what the article said 'The French film site Excessif reports that Nolan has acknowledged the influence of Satoshi Kon's anime adaptation of Yasutaka Tsutsui's Paprika novel, although does not quote him directly: "Christopher Nolan cites [Paprika] as one of the principal influences and was inspired by its main character to flesh out his character played by Ellen Page, a 'spirit architect' named Ariadne." ' whether someone wants to attach "inception is a ripoff" or whatever to that statement, that will be purely his own opinion. i and many others simply take a neutral position and take it as what it is.. i don't get why all the speculating.. "it sounds like"? if you have a problem with the article, attack the source info. just because you disagree with another's opinion equally as biased as yours in the opposite extreme doesn't take anything away from the original interview. you're implying inception is nothing like paprika.. that's your opinion and others may or may not disagree. but to purposely make things sound ambiguous by describing black and white texts as "it sounds like". lol. others and i who hold awe to paprika's artists and their work never said something to the effect "inception is inferior" or something of the sort. facts are facts--inception took inspiration from paprika as nolan admitted. it's unfathomable as to the reason why it is so difficult for anyone to accept facts as what they are.. even for psychotic fans. |
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Key
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First off, remember that there is this phenomenon in the English language called "capitalization" and actually use it next time - and that is being said as a Moderator. We don't expect perfect grammar in these forums, but we do expect people to make a reasonable effort. (And yes, that's in forum rules.) Now, as just an interested party, you're getting waaay too hung up on my "it sounds like" comment. There was no hidden agenda behind how I worded that; I was certainly not trying to imply that I thought the article was wrong. And no, I wasn't lying or exaggerating when I said I didn't even think about Paprika while watching Inception. Whether or not you believe or accept that is up to you.
And that wasn't what I was commenting about. I was specifically referring to certain people who - in this thread and others - have tried to claim that Inception is a "rip-off." Nolan borrowed a few ideas but that's it. A "rip-off" is when the story and its structure is copied wholesale, and that is indisputably not the case here. Besides, as others have noted, it's not like Paprika was anything close to a completely original work or had an entirely innovative approach to its visuals, either. (Yes, I know that's not what you were saying, but I felt that needed to be said.) I have actually seen the aforementioned Videodrome and can attest that some concepts in Paprika could probably fairly be traced by to that one. |
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GATSU
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BTW, if this doesn't piss you off, nothing will:
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DKL
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Honestly, anything a step above the sensibility of a day-time soap opera will likely be better than what we got with the Japanese movies. (in a perfect world, however, we would be attaching David Fincher to the remakes, but I think he's currently doing something else... Se7en was essentially a cooler version of the Death Note anime made many years earlier) For the record, I've not seen Hideo Nakata's L movie. |
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GATSU
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mdo:
They did remake one of our films: Sideways. And it was ok to me, because it was a one-hit wonder which won't be considered classic. If they want to remake, say, Citizen Kane, then we'll talk. 'Cus that's what Hollywood likes to do to quality foreign films. |
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