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INTEREST: Cowboy Bebop Writer: Anime Will Die Out in Few Decades


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ArsenicSteel



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:35 pm Reply with quote
v1cious wrote:
TsukasaElkKite wrote:
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Anime Will Die Out in Few Decades


Um, no?


I think it's very possible. Not only are companies slipping as a whole, but a lot of the major ones are starting to venture into projects overseas. I could easily see studios merging with foreign companies in the future, as the industry continues to decline.


Merging is not death or the end of anime.
A whole entertainment industry in a country dieing out in a few decades, no.
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zeonozero



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:37 pm Reply with quote
The possibility of anime and manga dying out never occurred to me as a kid when i was absorbed in DBZ and Sailor Moon in America.
Only recently have i started to think about this awesome industry ending.
It can be foreseen, this is just another trend- even if it was a very influential trend. People will stop making, and after no more makes, people stop getting into it.
And now that Sato has said it, i kind of more believe in it.
Although i dont believe it will happen soon, in the future im sure it will
But regardless, i will continue to buy my manga and my DVD's so that i can help contribute to keep this industry going.
I dont want to be mid way in a collection and everything just stop lol that would suck Razz
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:38 pm Reply with quote
The only place where anime is headed in better directions is in hentai.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:39 pm Reply with quote
commercialism is usually one of the hurdles a once underground subculture has to cross at some point. I do think he has a point in saying a lot of the stuff out now is just escapism. But then my question becomes "is that so bad?" Sure I like some depth in a series now and again but there comes a time when you just want to watch something because you want to not because you feel like you "have" to.

But that's another point for another time I also wonder how much of this could be chalked up to sour grapes?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:40 pm Reply with quote
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Captain Crotchspike



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:41 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Frankly, I find Sato comes off as a self important ass. While I agree with a number of his points in general, he makes it sound like he's the only one still making good anime anymore and now he's whining that some of his stuff hasn't been popular. (Which if we're talking about his own works that he actually helmed, is probably somewhat deserved).

To be fair, when I look at what has come out in recent years, it's hard to think of much else that fits the description of what he thinks there should be more of. You could also see this from the perspective of, "He's complaining about it, but he is actually trying to make things 'better' in the way he thinks is right with the work he can from his position rather than just giving up".
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:42 pm Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
It's not that I'm not interested in anime, it's just that anime just isn't all that interesting lately. As he stated, I've noticed there are a lot of throwaway titles that are very similar to almost everything else, or feel like an obvious merchandise cash in, or are loaded with fan service or other superficial elements meant to draw an audience without any substance. The amazing and thoughtful pieces that really drew me in to the medium are virtually non-existent these days.


But how is that really any different than ever before? The "amazing and thoughtful pieces" that you refer to have always been few and far between.

And while he does have some points, it's hard to take entirely seriously the words of someone who wrote one of the most pompously self-absorbed anime series ever, especially when it sounds like he's tooting his own horn. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:48 pm Reply with quote
Dai Sato is one of my favorite writers in anime, but I think he's being a bit of an alarmist. It's easy for a guy who's not getting work to say the anime industry is dying, now isn't it? Ask the guys who write for KyoAni melodramas if the anime industry is dying.

I can understand wanting to keep up some sort of personal artistic integrity, but Sato, if you really need work, it won't kill you to write a moe show.
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metroid24



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:49 pm Reply with quote
anime wont die its too populer iknow some people prifer anime series with more story and less fan service moe etc me i like both and i say anime isnt going anywhere its getting bigger and bigger every year
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wandering-dreamer



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:05 am Reply with quote
The idea of an entire medium of creativity dying out sounds rather implausible to me. I can see a number of people with different tastes agree that there are less "good" shows than before but I was under the impression that all mediums cycle through trends with a few new things every now and then, but even that seems incredibly subjective. I'm certainly not worried, may give me more time to get through my backlog too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:18 am Reply with quote
Captain Crotchspike wrote:
To be fair, when I look at what has come out in recent years, it's hard to think of much else that fits the description of what he thinks there should be more of.


That's not even slightly true. I mean, especially if we're reaching all the way back to when Ergo Proxy came out. That was way back in bloody 2006 for goodness sake. If he thinks the only good shows to come out since 06 are his own then he's just a pretentious ass.

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You could also see this from the perspective of, "He's complaining about it, but he is actually trying to make things 'better' in the way he thinks is right with the work he can from his position rather than just giving up".


I don't buy that. Whining about it isn't going to fix things. Nor is predicting doom for the industry. I mean, if there was one single positive thing in that interview, a suggestion for how to fix things, a way to improve, etc (or I should say, one positive thing that wasn't a project he worked on). He's not even really encouraging others to try and be more creative. He's just dumping all over everything everyone else does and complaining that people didn't like what he's doing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:21 am Reply with quote
with all the mindless crap that's been coming out and the fact western audiences eat it like its crack lased chocolate i wouldn't doubt anime as we know it will die and be replaced with thousands of naruto,bleach and one piece clones and the more mature better shows and manga like hellsing(including ova's)worst ,holyland,sidooh and here and there now and then will fade into obscurity.......bolded manga/anime names for better clarification
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jtstellar



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:30 am Reply with quote
hm i guess an appropriate way to characterize my response would be to say that this person is simply misguided. you can also say hollywood has already died out in a conventional sense. comics, super fantasies and lots of subtle anime remake/adaptations here and there had already occurred and had spawned some of the largest hitting titles in hollywood in decades.. especially the recent 10 years. all the movie industry's large resources are going into these type of anime or comic influenced titles or simply to directors who have watched enough anime to be under its influence to make good movies even without direct scene to scene adaptations ie. inception and its anime-influenced christ nolan and the movie's director-self-admitted inspiration from paprika. you can also argue that the old hollywood "has died out". no.. it's going to be transformed. perhaps merged with more cg or 3d technology, or perhaps there would be financial events that flush out the anime industry and force it to start anew with a beefed up financial management/promotional aspect to draw in resource for larger projects instead of these 13 ep/each projects.

some die and some are born because of it.. the talent will always go somewhere.. people have to eat and most of all--most aspire to succeed with their talent. people won't sit idly. it will be just another part of the creative destruction cycle. as long as the social safety net doves don't argue for some kind of bailout to socialize everything.. if that happens it will really degrade into eternity.


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matrixdude



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:30 am Reply with quote
... This is the most vague guess I've ever heard. Anything can die within a few decades, that's like saying anything can be done within a few millennia. He's sticking to such niche anime like ergo proxy, which some people have never even heard of. If anything, he is talking about the negative birth rate of Japan and that there is less new successful artists/animators in Japan. He's just doing the whole doom and gloom speech because he hasn't made a big hit since 2004 and samurai champloo.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:31 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
I don't buy that. Whining about it isn't going to fix things. Nor is predicting doom for the industry. I mean, if there was one single positive thing in that interview, a suggestion for how to fix things, a way to improve, etc (or I should say, one positive thing that wasn't a project he worked on). He's not even really encouraging others to try and be more creative. He's just dumping all over everything everyone else does and complaining that people didn't like what he's doing.


Actually he did suggest allot of ways to improve the situation if you read the real article. First of all he's saying that the industry should stop simply outsourcing animation jobs to other countries to save a few bucks because the art work is suffering. And he goes on to say that instead the industry should be helping these animators in other countries to create their own creative works instead of simply using them as cheap labor.

He also expressed his frustration with the lack of freedom that writers have in the current industry and that this system should be broken to encourage more creative works.

Sure he's over reacting in saying that anime will die in a few decades. But you are going way over the top by claiming he's a "pretentious ass".
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