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Paploo wrote:

JRT wrote: I don't mean respect, but just what Japan says. So let's say I watch subbed episodes of Gintama on Youtube. Does Japanese law prohibit me from doing so, or am I in unprohibited zone? Copyright is international (so Gintama is protected worldwide), so you'd probably be infringing copyright within the laws of the region you are in. Though FYI--- Gintama is available legally subbed on Crunchroll for streaming and dvd from Sentai Filmworks, so you shouldn't be watching it on YouTube anyways.

I was just using Gintama as an excuse. What I'm more interested in is if fansubs are. I heard they are ok to try as long as it isn't licensed here. So is the law that says Youtube is ok gone or not?

After the agency's pronouncements, the Gigazine website noted that YouTube users technically do download, if temporarily, a video file when they "stream." On the other hand, the Japanese copyright laws already had an exception to permit temporary file copies in browser and video player caches.

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If by implying that I am a filthy troll...

This is generally the label applied to those who take the statements of others out of context and twists them to serve a purpose to which the original statement was never addressed.

That's because too many people believe the only way to consume anime is through dead trees and recycled water bottles.

Anime and manga is produced well in advance that there's no excuse why global distribution couldn't be possible via the internet where legality and revenue-generation are both maintained.

Oh, wait. There is an excuse. It's ___________.

You wouldn't be watching anime today, if people didn't watch it "illegally" back in the day.

The Japanese laserdisc's I had were bought in import shops when I was stationed in Hawaii. Though I did get some earlier from some mail order import shop in LA, whose name I forgot. Usually was hit or miss, you bought what they had, not what you wanted.

You Your argument really has no basis in reality, people are not going to stop watching anime, just because the creator of the show or the company which makes it says no.

I buy hardcopy when it is available, (still waiting for my copy of Toradora, talking to you Right Stuff), but if it is not, then all bets are off.

Feels like I am talking to an alien, who says he loves anime, but won't watch it if the creator of it doesn't want him to watch it. Really just don't understand that argument, maybe it is an argument that only a purist could understand.

DoktorZetsubou wrote:

rather than people actually trying to defend their own pirating habits.

"Pirating" involves selling someone else's work for profit.

Goddamit, for the love of god can people stop getting this word wrong over and over again.

CCSYueh, you need to pick a segment of the argument and stick to it, okay? Because if you don't, it makes conversations really difficult.

This example of the production isn't associated to my statement.

Is there a rule stating content can only be produced by one person I wasn't aware of?

You're reading content by someone responding to content you wrote.

No, I'm not, CCSYueh. These negotiations often happen before production even starts.

I can understand why. You're not familiar with how things are done.

Now, which do you think is the better solution:
-let things go as they are and hope people become moral
-or-
-change the way things are done

The way things are going, the first option will happen sooner than the last.

Because of rules probably preventing Series X to be syndicated on Station Y which can be picked up by people outside of the syndication region.

The WORLD IS READY. It's those controlling content who are not.
Want proof? Those who pirate outside of accessible region code viewing, please explain to this young lady how your legal options fair in your local area.

The Blair Witch Project was filmed on a budget less than $100k. It made millions.

Officially-yes, we all need to learn Japanese or Korean.

Depending on your language background, you can become fluent in another languagin as little as three months, or it may take you years.

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Manga & anime is made for Japanese consumption.

Those of us in the US, Romania, Outer Mongolia or anywhere outside of Japan should have no expectation to anime or manga

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Those of us in the US, Romania, Outer Mongolia or anywhere outside of Japan should have no expectation to anime or manga


you forget russia, and other European countries have limited access to manga or anime.

Onemanga and mangastream were made for that reason, those who can't buy mangas or poor countries who can't even afford to have a credit card, can view the mangas and anime sub for free.

NDenizen wrote:

"Pirating" involves selling someone else's work for profit. Goddamit, for the love of god can people stop getting this word wrong over and over again.

I endlessly tell myself the same thing in my head whenever "Pirating" is mentioned. They will never get it man, it's like when they say "Japanese dub" over and over. They don't know and don't seem to care, yet still criticize.

One another example is naruto, naruto hair is yellow if it was for japan the creator will make the hair black right?

Onemanga and mangastream were made for that reason, those who can't buy mangas or poor countries who can't even afford to have a credit card, can view the mangas and anime sub for free.

you forget russia, and other European countries have limited access to manga or anime.

Onemanga and mangastream were made for that reason, those who can't buy mangas or poor countries who can't even afford to have a credit card, can view the mangas and anime sub for free.

Piracy has nothing to do with bad manga sales in Japan.

One Manga was created because the guy saw that he could make millions from pirating manga. It's like claiming that the guy who ran comics.HTML was just a huge comic book fan when he was a felon who wanted to pressure the comic book companies into making him legit like Crunchyroll. One Manga has stated the same thing, they want to make money. Why do you think MF is located in China?

Why do you think MF is located in China?

JRT wrote:

Paploo wrote: JRT wrote: I don't mean respect, but just what Japan says. So let's say I watch subbed episodes of Gintama on Youtube. Does Japanese law prohibit me from doing so, or am I in unprohibited zone? Copyright is international (so Gintama is protected worldwide), so you'd probably be infringing copyright within the laws of the region you are in. Though FYI--- Gintama is available legally subbed on Crunchroll for streaming and dvd from Sentai Filmworks, so you shouldn't be watching it on YouTube anyways. I was just using Gintama as an excuse. What I'm more interested in is if fansubs are. I heard they are ok to try as long as it isn't licensed here. So is the law that says Youtube is ok gone or not?

If it's under Japanese law, YouTube and Nico Nico are okay.

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After the agency's pronouncements, the Gigazine website noted that YouTube users technically do download, if temporarily, a video file when they "stream." On the other hand, the Japanese copyright laws already had an exception to permit temporary file copies in browser and video player caches.

I pointed out Hollywood can't manage it with their much larger resources so how can you expect a smaller Japanese anime industry to pull it off?

you were inplying there was no excuse for every anime not being posted online as it is airing in Japan. I'm merely pointing out the hole in the theory.

Depending on the content, sometimes only one person can.

Not always. Look at Tactics.

Look at titles like Riki-oh being announced, but then dropped because they couldn't (from what I've heard) secure all the licenses.

You just can't accept human nature's ability to mess stuff up, much less computer glitches.

I believe the fansubs you're championing are going to back us all into a corner we won't necessarily want to be in.

But I'm also patient enough to allow the companies their chance to work things out rather than force them into behaving the way someone else wants them to.

I recall one hit wonder types commenting their first hit paid for the house, the second for the furniture, & then the money stiopped.

Assuming you live in the U.S., it's generally been considered "okay" to consume fansubs of titles not licensed in North America, but this is a social convention established by the fansub community. It has no basis in actual law and stems from the fact that historically, the Japanese producers have pretty much ignored fansub distribution. This appears to be starting to change, so whether or not it's "okay" is a matter of active debate (at least on the ANN forums).