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Yivyn



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:59 pm Reply with quote
>wishing cancer on people
>"OHOHO THATS HILARIOUS"

Clearly Rei Hiroe has never known anyone with cancer or had it himself. I don't think you can joke about cancer, "tongue in cheek" or not.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:02 pm Reply with quote
DmonHiro wrote:
Weird.... what's with all the mangaka growing a pair lately? Even the women...


Where's the "growing of pairs"? That's just twitter trolling. By really talented guys, that's also true.

If you want to be really brave, you go face to face and punch someone in the face. Like Revy or Dutch would do. Or Alucard.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:05 pm Reply with quote
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Other creators, such as Abnormal Physiology Seminar creator TAGRO, expressed their support for Toboso, while users debated her stance and the legal issues involved.


I understand people debating their stance ... but the legal issues involved? "Debating" the legal issues involved?

What debate? Scanlations without permission are illegal, and under any imaginable reform of copyright will remain illegal. Fansubs without permission are illegal and under any imaginable reform of copyright will remain illegal. Distributing scanlations and fansubs without permission of both the original content creator and the fan translator is illegal, whether by IRC or torrent or direct viewer site or upload to a safe harbor site or email or burning onto a CD-ROM and handing around. And will remain illegal under any imaginable reform to copyright.

Not a whole hell of a lot to debate on the legality.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:06 pm Reply with quote
Yivyn wrote:
>wishing cancer on people
>"OHOHO THATS HILARIOUS"

Clearly Rei Hiroe has never known anyone with cancer or had it himself. I don't think you can joke about cancer, "tongue in cheek" or not.

lol I know a few and some that died, and as cruel as it sound, I agree with Hiroe on this one.

In my opinion, sometimes you need a little Light to fix things every now and then. Uploaders dying from heart attacks would be awesome.
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Elisian



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:07 pm Reply with quote
It always makes my day when creaters, and VAs speak out against fansubbers, and scanlaters. These people deserve to be made fun of. If you don't buy it, you aren't a fan, just a leech. Fight the good fight!
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Yivyn



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:09 pm Reply with quote
sykoeent wrote:
Yivyn wrote:
>wishing cancer on people
>"OHOHO THATS HILARIOUS"

Clearly Rei Hiroe has never known anyone with cancer or had it himself. I don't think you can joke about cancer, "tongue in cheek" or not.

lol I know a few and some that died, and as cruel as it sound, I agree with Hiroe on this one.

In my opinion, sometimes you need a little Light to fix things every now and then. Uploaders dying from heart attacks would be awesome.

To wish cancer and even a heart attack on someone for infringing copyrights is [expletive] ridiculous. God damn it, I know you people have a raging hard-on against fansubs/scanlations but there's a point when taking that opinion goes a little too far.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:10 pm Reply with quote
This totally makes my day. I really hate people who steal and don't give a crap. I really hope that people stop this bs, and I kind of agree with what they say and messed up as it is Razz

And coming from Rei that makes it even freakin better![/u]
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ralphmerridew



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:14 pm Reply with quote
sykoeent wrote:
In my opinion, sometimes you need a little Light to fix things every now and then. Uploaders dying from heart attacks would be awesome.


But how would Light get their name and face?
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sykoeent



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:19 pm Reply with quote
Yivyn wrote:
sykoeent wrote:
Yivyn wrote:
>wishing cancer on people
>"OHOHO THATS HILARIOUS"

Clearly Rei Hiroe has never known anyone with cancer or had it himself. I don't think you can joke about cancer, "tongue in cheek" or not.

lol I know a few and some that died, and as cruel as it sound, I agree with Hiroe on this one.

In my opinion, sometimes you need a little Light to fix things every now and then. Uploaders dying from heart attacks would be awesome.

To wish cancer and even a heart attack on someone for infringing copyrights is [expletive] ridiculous. God damn it, I know you people have a raging hard-on against fansubs/scanlations but there's a point when taking that opinion goes a little too far.

It hasn't gotten far enough yet. I would love for these creators to meet one of these guys and just cripple them. I mean, if I were in the mangaka's situation and I met one of these uploaders, I'd do my very best to push in their nose into their head knowing the consequence. There has to be an example made, and I think hostility is the most effective way. Too many times, it's the artist who gets shafted. It's time for them to actually stand up and fix this.
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Myaow



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:22 pm Reply with quote
I agree that their comments are kind of tasteless, though fans of Hellsing and Black Lagoon could probably attest to the fact that these guys have always had a very dark sense of humor.

It's interesting to get so many statements on this issue from the creators themselves, though. I'm glad that ANN is covering them.
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the Rancorous



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:24 pm Reply with quote
Yivyn wrote:
To wish cancer and even a heart attack on someone for infringing copyrights is [expletive] ridiculous. God damn it, I know you people have a raging hard-on against fansubs/scanlations but there's a point when taking that opinion goes a little too far.

They're venting their frustrations against people who are ripping them off and trying to justify it, that's all. You're being too sensitive or you're just trying to take a moral high-ground or something. These uploaders need to realize just how much they're pissing off the people they claim to adore. Instead of looking at it as "it's going too far," why not try looking at it as "how has it come to this point where the creators will go this far?" I imagine that if the pro-subs/scans people were actually correct in their justification of giving the artists publicity (HA!) then the artists would not be acting like this.
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Crisha
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:29 pm Reply with quote
How... crude.

I preferred the way Toboso stated her opinion on the matter. She sounded more like a scolding teacher than anything. This sounds more like trolling using phrases that can be considered very insulting/ignorant even if it's joking. A part of me did get a chuckle out of it, but another part of me was like, 'oh god, he's joking about someone getting cancer'.

Professionally, I think there's a point that shouldn't be crossed, and that one probably was it. It's not going to affect me buying their series (still plan on buying Hellsing, and if I like the anime of BL I'll probably buy the manga as well), but I can see where a lot of people would get up in arms about it.

EDIT: I should note that I don't hold it against them for stating what they stated, since it is a very serious matter. I just didn't like the way they stated it.

And people on here calling for blood kind of makes me go Confused


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Shenl742



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:29 pm Reply with quote
Well maybe if people would stop stealing their stuff and endgangering their artistic and financial livelihood, we wouldn't have to endure the pain and horror of rightfully disgruntled mangaka's cancer jokes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:31 pm Reply with quote
People... make jokes... about... c-c-c-cancer?! Oh my stars and garters!

Some of you need to lighten up.
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Yivyn



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:31 pm Reply with quote
the Rancorous wrote:
Yivyn wrote:
To wish cancer and even a heart attack on someone for infringing copyrights is [expletive] ridiculous. God damn it, I know you people have a raging hard-on against fansubs/scanlations but there's a point when taking that opinion goes a little too far.

They're venting their frustrations against people who are ripping them off and trying to justify it, that's all. You're being too sensitive or you're just trying to take a moral high-ground or something.

Uploaders just don't give a fudge though. They never have and never will.

And no, I'm not being 'too sensitive'. Joking about cancer is just wrong. Now if I said I hope Rei Hiroe dies of cancer, I'd be the first to get bashed for it. No one deserves to die of cancer or ANYTHING for any reason.

Zac wrote:
People... make jokes... about... c-c-c-cancer?! Oh my stars and garters!

Some of you need to lighten up.


OLOLO. I'll make a joke. I hope YOU die of cancer. Hohoho I'm so funny. xD


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