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erinfinnegan
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You are correct, sir!
I hope they make Saint Young Men into an anime and I get to review it. If I wanted to be offensive I would have used the following terms: "Zombie Christ" and "Death Cookie".
Dear Mr. Troll, thank you for your shotacon link. At least in Junjou the characters (who have sex) are over 18.
I thought he graduated from high school in like, the first episode? Isn't the point of the series that he's going to live at whatshisname's house during college? Maybe that wasn't the point. But he is 18, right? And in answer to your question (which I thank you for calling me out on, because that is called for), I'm just glad there were no pants-less 12-year-olds in this show. That is how low my standards have dropped...
Earlier I linked above to my personal blog entry about this, but I am interested in why you think GiTS had a low budget. Was it just the lip flap hiding? There was a ton of CG in that show, loads of action, tons of characters, lots of vehicles, a zillion props, layered colors, multiple characters in complicated action scenes, and lots and lots of locations including complicated cityscapes, which are hard to draw and expensive to do in 3D. Any time characters are more realistic (as in GitS), I assume it is harder to keep them drawn on model, so you need a high retake budget. Also I think GiTS was not on as late as night as Casshern, but I lack a source on this at this time. The earlier it airs in Japan the higher the budget (unless it's a preschool show - or maybe including preschool shows!). We are talking about Ghost in the Shell, right? It probably needed a whole separate CG department just to create the world of the internet (in the show)! That's two offices instead of one (or two rooms at least), doubling the show's "rent". |
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Zin5ki
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One admires your tolerance. I am more prone to become riled upon reading an expression of taste that deviates from my own. Well-animated or not, however, I currently profess no interest in Casshern Sins, even though I admit it exudes a notable degree of visual flair. |
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Keichitsu0305
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YES! My favorite Yaoi is Shelf Worthy!!!!
Of course, I already own the DVD XD but it's nice to hear from a reviewer approve of my taste in anime! ^^ |
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Smart Chick
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After reading your blog, which I appreciate, one of your posters asked the question above. This is the reason why I was critical about your animation comment and yes compared to a lot of other anime Casshern Sins has a lower animation budget. However, when compared to all the other recent/current slew of shows that's where I got confused on your comment. |
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Keichitsu0305
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I highly recommend it!
Miskai is 18. Remember? He and Akihiko (aka what's his name ;-D) celebrated his 19th birthday on episode 8 spoiler[ which was mention prior to the "train sex scene" -////- ] And as for a 18 year old boy dating a 28 year old man: this website says the legal age of consent For Gay Men couples is 13-18!!! |
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braves
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http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh265/juice41fantastic/Casshern1.jpg?t=1283300187 http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh265/juice41fantastic/Casshern5.jpg?t=1283300190 http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh265/juice41fantastic/Casshern6-1.jpg?t=1283304019 http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh265/juice41fantastic/Casshern3.jpg?t=1283300188 http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh265/juice41fantastic/Casshern4.jpg?t=1283300272 http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh265/juice41fantastic/Casshern2.jpg?t=1283300368 Shows have their ups and downs, but still.
Just by looking at the personnel they got on this project and how it comes together, it becomes apparent to me that the animation is meant to be idiosyncratic in its execution and not lazy. I'm not denying that there aren't some shortcuts in the series, but these never came across to me as the animation being inadequate so much as something that I have to swallow due to the constraints of producing a TV series. What stuck with me was how it overcame these shortcomings with the overall movement and design that was applied to the series.
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YotaruVegeta
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We need more of this, not the "waaah, you hurt my feelings through my favorite anime" Instead, we need "here is why I disagree. This is what I took from this anime."
The best way to challenge a criticism is with your own criticism of the work, not just your thoughts on the critic's opinion. |
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braves
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Admittedly, my first post in this thread wasn't exhibiting exemplary conduct. It was characteristic of "nerd rage", as it were. I got rather defensive for this series because over the past few years there haven't been that many number of TV shows that clearly marked a group of individuals putting their own artistic stamp on an animated product in an interesting and convincing manner. Studio 4C might get a lot of credit in some circles for putting out "artsy" stuff, but Madhouse has consistently allowed people like Hiroshi Hamasaki and Masaaki Yuasa to direct TV series that had absolutely no hopes of being financial blockbusters. Casshern Sins is another example of Madhouse allowing these kinds of works to come to fruition when they probably wouldn't have done so anywhere else.
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YotaruVegeta
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Are you saying that Madhouse doesn't get proper spotlight? I look forward to seeing things Madhouse is involved in. Didn't hear much fanfare or kind words about Casshern Sins though, and I didn't realize that it's a Madhouse work.
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braves
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I know Madhouse has its fair share of fans, but I still don't think they get enough credit for producing these art house shows. I believe that Studio 4C is much more likely to be associated with that kind of work (or maybe I'm scarred after I read a post on this forum that said Tatami Galaxy looked more like something Studio 4C would do).
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CCSYueh
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For some reason I thought that manga got licensed, but then I remembered it was a different one on the best & worst manga panel list of titles they wanted licensed. And remembering all the fuss Dogma created (banned by the Catholics, wasn't it? Picketed I do remember. Some local theaters got hit with lines) plus the current environment in the US, they'd have to release it in a plain brown covers, call it "Two Guys" & change the names to "B" & "J". As for extras tipping a title into shelfworthy, I've bought titles on the strength of Japanese cast interviews if its an actor I like but the title sounds less than exciting. I picked up a strange little title off a used rack because the back said it had an interview with Tomokazu Seki. At the time ADV was stripping extras from boxed sets, Japanese cast interviews would entice me to buy the singles. And I had no real interest in Zone of Enders until I saw one of the dvds included an interview with Takehito Koyasu. If I had known the Otogi Zoshi that arrived today had 6 disks of extras I probably would have bought it before now. And yeah, depending on the movie, I often go for the 2 disk version. If movie companies can use it as a reason to charge an extra $10 for a movie on dvd, why can't it be a reason to be shelfworthy? |
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Flame-G102
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Ill post the reply i made on your blog.
Well the thing here is mostly that Sins was written as a post apocalyptic story. So the low budget background thing is really hard to judge, since post apocalyptic landscapes are subject to interpretation, and it was written that way. barren wastelands with few buildings works well for Sins' kind of feeling of Isolation and total aloneness. Also, the mouth guard they use in Sins was in every other Casshern as well, its part of the character design- when he fights, it comes on. if anything, blame the original anime for it. also- what i forgot to say there as well- also, is that regarless of if they repeat background or whatever- you cannot possibly accuse them of making them "cheap" because those backgrounds in that show were GORGEOUS. plain downright beautifully made. and thats the art major part of me speaking. they have an abstract charm, that makes them really nice, even though they depict an "end of days" world. theres tons of colors used in them, and despide being drab, are still very sharp and stand out. Also- could we PLEASE move away from the Casshern Christianity discussion that pretty much DOMINATED the last page? Geez, I mean weve already established the comparison was probably uncalled for, do you need to keep going on and on about it? I mean, shit, lets concentrate on the actual things reviewed instead of one little sentence Erin made. |
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CareyGrant
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As a man, I agree with Charlaine Harris... I just wish her most recent books didn't suck so bad compared to her pre-HBO/Hollywood novels. I can't read her books anymore, too painful. I loved that series. Way to ruin things, Hollywood. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Ok as a practicing roman catholic I have to say I'd be HAPPY with simply being called, or referred to, an a cannibal. I was an alter boy myself so I find the priests are all pedophiles bit to be very offensive and it down right angers me as my priest was a wonderful man. This stereotype though.....In this MODERN day and age that is (in developed areas at the very least) such a silly notion getting upset by it is just ridiculous. Back in the day hundreds of years ago it was a different situation. However we live in the year 2010 and things are different. Someone who seriously thinks catholics are cannibals is just freaking hilarious and probably deserves a ride on the short bus. Making a joke about it...honestly it doesn't offend as the joke really isn't funny. Not as in it's offensive non-funny....it's simply not funny period. It's just stupid and getting upset over this stereotype (new one for me too) is just silly. As for the Casshern discussion...I have to mirror Emerje's opinions. I found it easily to be rental worthy and found the art to be very crisp, smooth, and made fine use of the darker colors. Saying it's low budget and all the backgrounds look the same I think is very off the mark and just simply wrong. I'd concede it can be a tough watch and definitely is not for everyone. It is not some leisurely weekend show or mindless comedy. But it is hardly low budget looking or unpolished. Judging by Erin's Tehxnolyze comment I'm given the impression she thinks low about that show too as it is something to "stomach." If so I definitely have a problem with that even more but as Emerje also said to each their own I guess. |
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Mikeski
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No, I work in engineering. I'm better at problem-solving than wordsmithing. And yes, I agree that editing just to prevent a storm of calls to the ombudsman would be wrong. But if the op-ed page of the New York Times had something comparitively insulting and incorrect (e.g. The Bell Curve "proving" that black people are less intelligent than white people), I would expect the editors to send that back for a rewrite before it hit the presses, even though it might seem to be censorship of a hot-button issue. I guess we just have a different threshold for what constitutes "editing" versus "censorship". I think removing one parenthetical comment that (a) adds little or nothing to the review, (b) is religiously (or otherwise) offensive in what should be a non-religious forum*, and (c) is not even a very good comparison** (if it isn't outright factually wrong***), would be on the "editing" end of the spectrum. If it was just (b), it would be "censorship", if you think censorship applies to entirely-private endeavors. Since you could delete this comment and I could go say the same thing elsewhere where you couldn't, I would say you were moderating, not censoring. * - yes, if it's a review of an anime that contains issues from real-world religions, let it fly. But Casshern Sins is not even Kannagi, much less Haibane Renmei. ** - Hunting down a powerful being to kill him and take his powers? I think that's The Highlander, or maybe Mega Man. Not so much The New Testament. *** - Casshern: kill a powerful, non-divine being to eat his physical body and gain physical immortality for yourself. Catholicism: don't kill anyone, eat the transubstantiated body of a divine being so that your immortal-whether-you-eat-or-not soul will go to the right place when your physical body dies. I think that requires a link to Cowboy Bebop at his computer, for teh lulz. Since I haven't watched all of Casshern yet, I may be doing the same thing myself, here... |
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