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Sandstar
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But, but.....I thought this was all pretend! I thought that we didn't have to worry about people making Death Notes in school, because no one would EVER think this is real, and actually kill someone. Maybe next time ANN runs a story about a kid having a Death Note, people will remember this story, and not say bitch about it.
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Nemo_N
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This. For godsakes, this. Not calling the police is failing to provide assistance. Helping someone not always involves going Jack Bauer on criminals on your own. Also, I can't help but think that there is some nut reading this article who thinks that these wouldn't have happened if Death Note didn't exist. |
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Nemo_N
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And just as I click "Submit":
It takes a whole lot more than reading some manga to kill and dismember someone. These guys were going to end up killing someone, manga or no manga. |
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Kyogissun
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It's easy to say you'll help but it's another thing entirely to actually be in the situation and help out. That being said, there's no excuse for why he didn't report the crime after the fact. Psychological state of mind irrelevant, it's not like they were part of some crime syndicate where if other had found out he was responsible for getting the murderers put in jail that others would come after him. Even if that WAS the case, chances he'd get put into some protective custody/relocation/witness protection program... Unless Belgium doesn't have such a system. Interesting though to see that the case has gotten dug up and hopefully, will be solved. Nothing's more pathetic than attempting to blame an outside piece of material as the reasoning behind a murder. Whether these idiots seriously believed that 'Death Note' led them to commit the crime or not, it's sad to see how whenever someone can't accept the fact that they only have themselves to blame for a 'problem' (be that murder, purchase of content not acceptable for minors [cigarettes, alcohol, porn, etc] or something else related to a 'crime) the first thing anyone ever tries to do is look for something/someone else they can blame. "These guys were going to end up killing someone, manga or no manga." And this is all that matters in the end. The manga lacked reasoning or ideals in which one could share and build the reasoning behind a murder or two. Had these guys gone out and killed more people, MAYBE they would have had a better chance at passing the buck but even still, the murder was going to happen regardless. |
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Ido
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You are right it's desu, and yeah I bet that's what went in their heads, just like that kid killed or armed people with a Ninja Gaiden game in his bag they all said "Oh videogames are dangerous"
He can get Kira'd just like Kira got killed 
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vashfanatic
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I'm pretty sure they're too busy sleeping on a large pile of money to care that a few probably mentally disturbed people grossly misinterpreted their work (which, let's face it, is pretty anvilicious about the idea that the Death Note corrupts whoever uses it, and "Kira" becomes the villain of the piece). |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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What utter fools they were. If they respected Death Note then they would have known that Light himself thought "Kira" was just a populist name given by weaklings on the net. Light would also have looked down on such tacky methods of advertising himself.
The bystander could well have been threatened to keep quiet. If they had witnessed the attack then they could have been traumatised. I've believed for three years that this was a bunch of medical students playing around with cadavers. I never thought it was an actual murder. |
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Tomibiki
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Is this the new version of people thinking they can fly like superman?
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machetecat
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I have no idea why these idiots would do something so disgusting and ridiculous. I mean, REALLY.
And then not only are these morons doing things that would never happen in Death Note, they decide they're gonna write they're Kira in Japanese, using the Latin alphabet, and they spell "desu" as "dess". 
We have ourselves a couple of bonafide geniuses here, people. I kinda wanna know what the motive is for this murder, I mean, to go as far as to chop the guy up.... he better have done something really horrible. If this is a random murder or they killed him for some petty argument, I will be sorely pissed off. Last edited by machetecat on Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:32 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Momoko_Kuzuryuu
 Posts: 12 Location: Earth |
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Great...now Death Note is in trouble 'cause of some stupid people. >>
Just because you agree with Light/Kira, and want to eliminate the wrongdoing, doesn't mean you have to go out and do it! DX I know I want to go out and get rid of a few overall a**holes myself. The lack of self-control some people have... v_v ...maybe they did want to act like Kira. Maybe they hate manga. Maybe they just want to blame it for an easy insanity plea. Whatever the case, we should probably see some kind of Death Note ban in the future because of this. |
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KAtchan15
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Bottom line is no one knows what the circumstances really were. No one even knows if the guy who was murdered wasn't a deranged murderer himself, who might‘ve even raped, and killed more people than those guys who killed HIM. My point is, IF the guy who is being charged for WITNESSING a criminal act and failing to report it, JUST happened to be passing by at the wrong place, wrong time, he must have a reason as to why he DIDN'T report it at all and I empathize his actions. If that were the case, putting myself in his shoes, call me selfish, but I probably would NOT have helped out, NOR would I have reported seeing it either. It doesn’t involve ME, therefore it’s none of MY business. Hell, the guy who was murdered might even be a horrid pedophile psychopath buddy of theirs that they‘re sick of. What if the guy who wanted NO involvement, just MANAGED to get away from those murderers? After getting away, if he reported what he saw, those guys would want to pursue him further since they’ve seen his face, and kill him plus whole family for doing so. No one would want to complicate their life over a person they don’t even know. Humans are naturally selfish, unless you’re a self righteous hero, you’ll always put the safety of your loved ones and yourself first. Too many details about the incident are missing. It’s impossible for anyone to come to a conclusion. I still say that law is BS. What, am I supposed to report every “criminal act” ranging from typical drug deals, robbery etc. I HAPPEN to see? Otherwise I’m supposed to go to jail because I wanted to mind my business so that I can live a quiet and peaceful life? Come on now... It’s impressive how Death Note is still making headlines.  LOL This reminds me of the time when a videogame Otaku in Japan, cut his girlfriend up into pieces and tried flush her down his toilet. He admitted to all the accusations. It’s a good reminder. It’s usually the quiet, maybe nerdy, geeky, socially awkward ones who withhold their true feelings and desires that are most dangerous.
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ArsenicSteel
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Depends are you Belgian? That Belgian law seems to be in place to accomplish the same thing as "Aiding and Abetting" does in the US.
Since that is the most important notion you are trying to get across, why muddy the waters by making up so many ifs to impune the victims and free the person that did not commit the murder of any legal responsibility. Whatever the history of the victim it does not pardon or allow vigilantly executions. Murder is not okay because someone is bad, even capital punishment is debatable. |
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KAtchan15
Posts: 460 Location: NYC |
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It’s hard to speak to people whose skills of abstract thought are lacking. Many of you are unable see this situation from different angles, that alone is enough to take away so much from the quality of this thread.
According to you that is. What is right and what is wrong depends on whose eyes are looking. You say that, yet capital punishment is practiced throughout the world when this systematic “Law” run by “gods righteousness” deems it necessary. Even in the most barbaric ways in some cultures. A father who brutally murders the murderer, and rapist of his daughter, would be deemed “wrong, irrational, uncivilized or sick” by the judicial system for taking matters into his own hands. And I’m sure that more people would say he is so, than he is not, but when you think about it, can you really say that he is absolutely wrong for being angry, seeking revenge and killing he who took his daughter‘s life? He’s only human after all. Different circumstances deserve different resolves. In this world people certainly, still act like animals on certain situations, and that’s true. People act upon what they believe is right or wrong through their disposition and there’s no changing that. It would be pointless for me to explain this type of mindset any longer. Goodbye. Oh, and I am not Belgian. |
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Great Rumbler
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What the heeeck? Dude, what if the guy who was BRUTALLY MURDERED was the father of five little kids who donated time to local charities and helped homeless people get jobs and houses? The point is, you don't know. All you know is that some guy is getting hacked to pieces right in front of you. And maybe, just maybe, YOU are the only person in the entire world that can save his life. And some murdering thugs saw MY face and knew that I saw them commit a murder, I'd go to the police FIRST so that they can, you know, ARREST THE MURDERERS AND PUT THEM IN JAIL WHERE THEY CAN'T HURT ME OR ANYONE ELSE. I mean, good grief, can you not see the lack of logic in what you're saying??? In reality though, this law isn't about you looking at your window and seeing some crime going on. It's about prosecuting someone who is part of the group of people who committed the crime, but didn't actually carry out the act. Like, in this case, it might have been that a group of four people went to kill this guy but only three actually wielded the weapons and carried out the act/got rid of the body, that sort of thing. While the fourth stood back and just watched. He can't be charged with murder, because he didn't actually KILL the victim. So, without this law, he could say "Well, I didn't actually do anything, I just stood there and watched" and the police would have to let him go. But with the law, the police can say "Wait a minute, you were there and you could have ran away and called us to help this guy or even called us right after it happened, if you were unable to get away, but you didn't". And so, the fourth guy goes to jail, with a lighter sentence than the others, because of failing to render aid. |
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TJ_Kat
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it's two completely different situations. for most of those kids, they have pre-existing problems and making a death note is their means of venting/coping. appropriate, no. oversensationalized, yes. which is why people bitch about it. this on the other hand sounds like a fight started and got out of hand resulting in someone accidentally getting beaten to death. one lucky (or unlucky) hit in the right place is all it would have taken. the dismemberment, planting the body, and death notes sound more like something they came up with after they realized the guy was dead as a means to cover it up. and for 3 years, it worked. |
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2 help doesn't mean others wouldn't jump in and help. I kno i would because I've done sumtin similar b4. Just grab a bat or sumtin if they r 2 big. 
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