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dtm42
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Okay. So James Cameron would rather make not one but two sequels to his overhyped, crappily acted, badly written, plot-hole infested piece of unoriginal garbage he and his posse of slobbering fanboys dare to call a movie, instead of bastardising a near-legendary Manga in a way only Michael Bay and Uwe Boll could in their infinite craptitude exceed.
. . . Dudes and dudettes, we got off LUCKY. |
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KAtchan15
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I agree that the original trilogy is definitely better than I, II & III but as far as the story goes, I'm glad that Lucas made the modern Star Wars trilogy only because it enhanced the plot even further. For the past ten years, Lucas has accomplished a lot in terms of expanding the Star Wars Empire. In terms of gaming alone , Battlefront, Lego Star Wars, Force Unleashed, Galaxies, etc. all these games were not only highly recommended hits in the gaming world, but any major Star Wars franchise is highly anticipated because of the quality and the reputation it has earned for itself. There’s a reason why Star Wars is still around today, it’s masterpiece from the moment it hit the screens, in terms of storyline, music, cinematography, everything, people were fascinated by its overall unique packaging, there’s no denying that. While Cameron on the other hand, has been working on Avatar for the PAST 10 YEARS, and that's all he can bring to the table? The plotline is Dances with the Wolves or Pocahontas in Space. Avatar is about as entertaining, as me twiddling my thumbs while I pee. There’s no way…that there will ever be an Avatar Celebration/Convention in the next 15 years because as many people liked it, a HELL of a lot of people hated it too. It was a visually stunning movie with zero substance.
I disagree. The recent trilogy is not as bad as you’re making it out to be. It’s not, it’s honestly not.
Yes. Avatar was indeed a snore fest for me. You’re taking things out of context, because we were only talking about those two movies and you‘re hastily making assumptions. Since you’ve brought it up, I have seen both Seven Samurai and Ikiru by Kurosawa they’re terrific classics. Mad Men I’ve never had the chance to see, but I can say that Rear Window by Alfred Hitchcock, The Pianist, The Libertine, Reservoir Dogs, The Woman in the Dunes, and tons of other movies from different genres without utilizing overly intricate plotlines, highly notable actors, fancy CG, high production budget or "thousands of droids vomited up on the screen" were much MUCH more enjoyable than Avatar. Have a good life. |
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Keonyn
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This whole discussions stinks of fanboyisms. You have one side saying they liked the film, and a whole group of others jumping down their throats and declaring how awful it is (even some who admit to not seeing it) while chastising it for things that most anime is guilty of itself and ignoring the fact that critically the film was generally very well received and scored quite well with critics and audiences overall.
I know it's now the cool thing to hate on it because it was the big blockbuster film and we're all cool anime fans who are soooooo beyond that, but get over it. There's billions of people in this world, and differing tastes to go with every one. People like something you don't? Deal with it and suck it up. Let's also not forget this is primarily about his work on a new Avatar film instead of Battle Angel, which is the relevant anime link here. This is not a soapbox to start pissing matches over how anime is so much cooler and how Cameron is the devil because he made a popular and successful film which obviously makes him the devil in modern culture. If this is just going to be used as a soapbox with the anime link disregarded then this can just be locked now. |
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Ingraman
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It was a pretty movie (not so much for the humans, which didn't look as great, as for everything else). It was not a good movie.
The thought that it provoked was "Why are you wasting all of the men and materiel? Just drop some rocks or whatever from orbit and be done with it!" It was an incredibly frustrating movie because the evil corporation/military was just so poorly handled.
I wanted to see large explosions on the planet's surface, and blue martyrs. Then they could have a shot of PETA or human/alien rights activists protesting outside the company headquarters and large lawsuits being filed in court. Avatar was pretty, but not very good overall. I'm not sure that prettiness will get me to go and see the next two Avatar movies. I'll avoid the trailers (which I do for nearly everything), so I won't know if the plots show signs of being decent or not. |
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Animehermit
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i think you may have confused Star Wars with Blade Runner depth? in star wars? Don't get me wrong i love star wars to death but its about as shallow as a kiddie pool.People don't love star was because of its intricate plot and complex 3-dimensional characters. its basically and amalgamation of everything awesome. The Prequels get even worse when Lucas tries to add a romantic sub-plot and fails terribly ("i hate sand it gets everywhere!" nice romantic dialog Lucas). The best thing about the prequels is that Bioware made KOTOR(which is much better than any of the prequels and even half of return of the jedi). A lot of people harp on Avatar because of its plot, but any film critic will tell you that a movie is not just its plot. Presentation, score, directing and special effects all factor into a movie like Avatar. IMHO the film is worth seeing for the 3d alone, which is amazing. not that the movie doesn't have problems, it has them by the boatloads. but its not as bad as all the haters are making it out to be. oh and before anyone starts name calling, i'm not taking either side in this ridiculous argument. ON TOPIC: it saddens me that Battle Angle got delayed, but i'd be lying if i said this surprised me. |
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edzieba
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Remember that Lucas only directed one of the 3 'original' star wars films. And that A New Hope was the age old "boy rescues princess" plot, but with LASER SWORDS.
Bitching that a plot has been done before is missing the point entirely. If you only want to read stories with plots that have never been put to paper before, you're probably going to have to learn ancient Greek or Sumerian (or travel back in time to pre-written languages and listen to stories passed down through oral tradition). |
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PetrifiedJello
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Since I was included in this demographic, targeted even, I'll add an addendum to my words: I have no like or dislike for the movie or James Cameron. It's just that I've never had the opportunity to see the movie without having to shell out cash for it. I don't torrent, so don't go there. |
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HuskofDaimao
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I get the part that Avatar was a crappy movie--beyond crappy and overhyped, and personally I think he's wasting his time, but to be realistic .. who would a live-action Battle Angel movie attract? I think Cameron is just realizing that with the decline of anime popularity, and having already capitalized on his own creation which is now the highest-earned film ever, he would be wasting time withan old idea like anime adaptation. Battle Angel isn't even a pop-culture in Japan- and anything remotely close to anime pop-culture in America would be DB, Naruto, Bleach--why spend time on trying to boost the appeal for something new, when he thinks he has a much larger, more grandscale pop-culture / franchise than most else on his hands (which he does in many ways)?
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jr240483
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Not to mentioned that anime and manga based movies have not been up to snuff with the last two ( DB & Astro Boy ) really bombed. However making a sequel from the highest grossing movie ever also a massive risk. As the people who did " Speed". |
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jr240483
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I had never once said that Avatar was a bad film.
Also movies based from anime series did not have done well viewer wise as well as critic wise. Ever watched the live action movie of Dragon Ball??? or the 3D film of Astro Boy. The proof is there. The only anime based movies that ever did succeed at a time was the Pokemon Movies. Every other relesed bombed and the mombed like a massive nuclear bomb. I dont blame Cameron for skipping Battle Angel which has high odds to bomb at the box office and focus on the Avatar series which unfortunately is 50/50 . |
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LUNI_TUNZ
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Another thing that annoys me about that link I posted, is that Cameron seems to believe that he and his crew invented Motion Capture.
I'm sorry "performance capture". |
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Mohawk52
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Well this is not surprising. Cameron surely knows how well Dragon Ball and Speed Racer did at the box office and how well Avatar did. He can see that attempting yet another adaptation flop is not good business in these recessionary times, but he's banking on an Avatar sequal to do better, when both are just as risky in equal measure. Better the devil you know, then the devil you don't. Also let's face it, even the mangaka has run out of ideas with it too, so it's fading away with mediocrity and irrelevancy.
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edzieba
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Or far more likely, producing more Avatar sequels gets him more budget from studios for his future films, and more clout to make what he wants. If a studio complains "but all these other anime/manga adaptation have flopped" he can simply turn around and say "I'm goddamn James Cameron, my last two films grossed a total of $4.5 BILLION, you will gave me whatever budget I ask for to make whatever the hell movie I want to make".
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Animehermit
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the guy made two of the most successful films of all time. he has more sway with the studio than anyone in Hollywood, they throw money at him and he basically just does whatever the hell he wants. So the idea that he needs more "more clout" with the studio is wee bit ridiculous.
i doubt this has anything to do with it either. Hollywood is willing to bank on anime adaptations, and my bet is so will Cameron. my bet is this probably has to do with finishing his own story with the avatar movies before working on an adaptation of someone else's work. |
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