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Kal
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darkhunter
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LOL, I got a good laugh when I saw the image. It looks gimmicky like those Girl Gone Wild commerial. Not in a bad way either, but in a comical way (joke) since that happen to be a girl in a magazine. Just like when you go to vegas and they hand you stripper catalog with "stars" edit. I don't know, seem kinda funny to me, it it suppose to be arousing?. Freedom of speech is overrated sometimes. I mean how much control does the mangaka really have over his or her work. As long as they're working for someone else, they're not in full control. Sometimes people do not meet eye to eye. I know comic book artist and musician have trouble with thier creavity when thier label want them to do things a certain ways. Seriously if you're gonna throw away a good book over a tiny innocent edit (and that's very tiny), than so be it. It might have been better if the manga wasn't license at all. If it's a big edit that change the story of the book (damn you cmx), than that I really care about it. I somehow have a feeling that the mangaka can give a shit about american viewer wanting to see nipples. I say most of them are happy they're getting a wade of cash and thier work publish in other country. Do you the mangaka prefer you to download scan instead of buying his work even if it's edit? I see a lot of people saying I'll continue to download scan, that's how the mangaka would want me to see her art and i'm a true fan. Yeah some true fan, people just keep forgetting that manga and anime is a business. Manga being adaptive to anime get edit all the time. I dont' see many people saying stop the anime industry because all thier manga-adaptive work are edit. Last edited by darkhunter on Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:29 pm; edited 4 times in total |
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Stueypark
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At least there's some logical conclusions that can be drawn in American edits, when you look at edits in other countries like, for instance, Japan. Remember, they were the ones who censored and completely deleted some manga about the Rape of Nanjing because according to them, it never happened.
Of course, we also have France & Germany, have you ever wondered why WWII video games take several months longer to come out over there compared to the rest of the world? It's because the companies have to redraw a lot of the graphics and art to remove Nazi symbols (swastika, death's head, etc), which is illegal to display in those countries. At least US publishers can print whatever they like without facing prison terms... that's not true everywhere else. |
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GATSU
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Advent:
They've always dumbed down their material. But they've only recently been successful at it. Inagawa:
Why do you think so? I mean it took Dark Horse 15 years to release an uncut Ghost in the Shell.
And yet you can make a decision after being coerced.
Huh? Wow, you must have been around a lot of bloggers to come up with an absurd argument like that.
What if it's not a right, but an imposed obligation? darkhunter:
That seemed to be the case with Detective Conan, but I"s is for an older audience which would be more likely to purchase the series than those who picked up Case Closed.
Negima seems to contradict your argument. Last edited by GATSU on Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:25 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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IvoryBirch
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Hmm, I'm jumping into this debate rather late, but I've been following along relatively closely and would like to needlessly voice my opinion. Personally, I feel that the ostensible censorship has been a bit exaggerated, but I don't completely approve. This is directed mostly toward Yami no Matsuei, which seems to be getting less attention in this thread, but whose censorship I feel to be worse. Reading the edited scene of I"s in context, I really don't find the stars to be that big of a deal. Certainly, it looks very silly, but since it's just a photo, it wouldn't be as bad as if the nipples in question were being covered during, say, a sex scene. The original scene wasn't sexual in content; it appears to me to be humorous, gratuitous nudity. Not that I'm opposed to gratuitous nudity, but editing it out really is not a grave violation of freedom of expression or anything.
On the other hand, Viz edited a scene in YnM because of what it inferred. Considering that homosexual subtext is pretty prevalent in YnM, I think the editing was pretty unnecessary. Granted, it doesn't hurt the story much and is a pretty minor detail, but I don't Viz's reasoning behind the decision. Perhaps I am more bothered by the editing in Yami simply because I'm a fan of the series, whereas I have not read I"s, so any biases should be taken into account. That is all - continue "debating" as you please. (edited for some typographical errors) Last edited by IvoryBirch on Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:21 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Godaistudios
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Actually... in context of the first volume, it is supposed to be arousing - because of what Ichitaka is going through. It makes sense in volume 3 because the joke makes sense - but I'm afraid that the joke will also lose its effect now since the censoring has been put in place. |
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darkhunter
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LOL, shrink manga do sell well. Berserk is selling really well, due to the anime being overlypopular. Negima, from the maker of Love hina, another overly popular anime/manga series, so it's no supring that Negima can sale. Crazy buzz. Samurai Execution, another title that's selling well because of Lone Wolf and Cub. If they want to sell bad company, they just need to slap a "from the maker of GTO" right across the title. I was refering more to the unknown titles like IWGP, in which I would probably wouldn't if I was just looking for something new to buy at a borders. And that's just an exaggerated comment, but definitely someting to keep in mind. Just a few years ago, everyone was grateful that companies are bringing manga over to the U.S.... Now everyone is acting like snob refusing to buy anthing with the slighest edit (i.e. Zoro to Zolo). Last edited by darkhunter on Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:49 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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The Xenos
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Nipples are the downfall of human civilization. Looka t the whole Janet Jackson terror attack! How dare she show that in public! Think of the children who surely never are supposed to see a nipple. It's unnatural. Nipples always lead to destruiction. Look at who got man kicked out of Edan, a woman exposing her nipples. Terrible to see it's still happening, the nipple ruining man's civilization. America cannot stand for nipples. We need to find them and ban them, maybe even create a bonfire to get rid of them.
-Xenos pretending to be Jerry Falwell |
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The Ramblin' Wreck
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Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you our European Betters (TM) |
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The Ramblin' Wreck
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That's why I come to these threads, the most rational thought out discourses on publishing ethics and business models on the Net. |
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Necros Antiquor
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I don't know, I'd still buy One Piece if I didn't get it in Shonen Jump every month, even with the name change. What bothered me is that they changed it to Zolo after over two years of seeing the word Zoro in print. It messed with my head, but it they have to do it to avoid copyright infringement on Zorro, go ahead; I'd rather have One Piece with Zolo than have the manga tied up in court battles for a year or two. |
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Treeloot
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Let me get this straight, you took back ALL YOUR VIZ MANGA VOLUMES TO BORDERS OVER 1 [expletive] LETTER CHANGE? You idiot, you didn't hurt Viz at all, you only hurt Borders. They have to spend time putting all that stuff back, and possibly can't sell some of it anymore. I'm not even sure I believe what you said, because I've never heard of Borders giving you cash for your gift cards, OR taking back a ton of shit, that you probably didn't have reciepts for. You're just being a stubborn, idiotic fucker, trying to hurt Viz, who's hurting his/her local bookstore. Hey guess what Eiichiro Oda says about name changes. He doesn't give a fudge and is thrilled people in other countries are reading One Piece. Since you have all the Japanese volumes, I'm pretty sure you've read the SBS corner where he has a segment devoted to what they call the One Piece gang in other countries. He didn't care about 1 letter changes, he didn't care when the whole name was changed. He was just happy people were reading his manga. If I owned the English One Piece manga (I do own the Japanese and see no reason to have both English and Japanese) I'd check right away about this half inch crap you're talking about. |
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Izlude
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This is getting silly and out of hand... honestly I can live with these tiny edits from Viz, ADV, etc...but CMX with Tenten is OVERKILL.
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