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NEWS: Tokyo's Revised Youth Ordinance Amendment Bill Posted


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Nemo_N



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:27 pm Reply with quote
Melanchthon wrote:
First they came for the...
Anyway, I knew this was going to happen. The anime companies, instead of trying to obtain a more mainstream (if less enthusiastic) audience, decided to out pervert each other in the name of chasing down that ultra-otaku demographic. Well, not only is it bad business sense, but the overly explicit scenes in a lot of these anime has angered the moral crusaders and alienated the general public. I want this bill to pass, as crude and offensive to free speech as it is. I want to it pass so the industry is forced to understand the consequences of their actions. They made this bed by airing hentai on television. Let them sleep in it.

Just because moral crusaders and the general public dislike something does not justify using the law to force someone to comply to someone else's taste.

You are saying that just because someone gets angry at something, whatever actions taken to appease them are justified or rational. It's insane (and I'm not even taking into account your cavalier attitude towards freedom of speech).
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Greboruri



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:33 pm Reply with quote
Kougeru wrote:
DmonHiro wrote:
The proposed bill specifically includes "manga, anime, and other images" but excludes photography and live-action materials

What the bloody hell?! So drawn p***y is more obscene then real p***y?
those are pretty much already banned
What amuses me so much that genitalia is censored out of pornography in Japan, yet almost anything else goes. They’ve got fetishes up to their eyeballs. This is due in part and in reaction to censorship. If there was no censorship you probably wouldn’t have such odd fetish things like panty shots becoming a fairly mainstream thing.

To me the new bill is the same old, same old; using the discredited media effects model and trying to force people to behave in the “correct” way. It’s the same thing happening in western countries. Take the UK for example.
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kitchiri



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:36 pm Reply with quote
and it will be STILL way better than censorship in Korea... u.u~~ So I don't really care.
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machetecat



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:38 pm Reply with quote
ArsenicSteel wrote:


Art imitates life. Maybe some of the authors are trying to tell their opinions through story or just pandering to get noticed. Damn why can't they all just be jokes like how we Americans do when the subject of the South comes up.
I'd appreciate them more as jokes. I'd probably get a good laugh out of those.
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Nemo_N



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:45 pm Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:
I could kinda see the justification for the former bill that didn't pass, anything involving children is touchy, but I still didn't approve of it since it was too broad and would be forced on shows that weren't even graphic. This bill on the other hand which is intended for characters of all ages, is just blatant censorship. Apparently you can kill and torture all the imaginary characters you want in an anime, but if it's done in a sexually violating way it's off limits? I don't condone rape any more than I condone murder, but everything has a value in story telling. That's story telling mind you, no body should consider rape "fanservice". And incest? Really? Just because something is illegal in real life doesn't mean you can't show it in an anime/manga/etc. Murder is illegal, torture is illegal, kidnapping is illegal, extortion is illegal, lots of things are illegal yet they're staples in entertainment.

The problem is, of course, that most people see fictional depictions of sexual acts as a more insidious than violent or criminal ones. It's the only reason this BS can be spouted by these people without being aware of the contradiction.

Fictional sex (related to anything) is seen as an almighty force that will take over people's minds, while other gruesome depictions are seen as easily handled by the population at large.

It's nonsense.
Emerje wrote:
Somehow I have a feeling this bill will have an even harder time passing, but we'll see.


Here's hoping.
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Beatdigga



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:56 pm Reply with quote
This bill will pass, hypocrisy and all. Not that it's a good thing, but it will.
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ArsenicSteel



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:56 pm Reply with quote
machetecat wrote:
ArsenicSteel wrote:


Art imitates life. Maybe some of the authors are trying to tell their opinions through story or just pandering to get noticed. Damn why can't they all just be jokes like how we Americans do when the subject of the South comes up.
I'd appreciate them more as jokes. I'd probably get a good laugh out of those.


Yeah you say that but already said Oreimo(a Japanese comedy based on sister complex) as something that makes you squeamish.

You probably mean you would appreciate Japanese writers doing jokes about BeckySueJimBob and the town sheriff that is also her brother/uncle/husband. Japanese writers telling stories and jokes based on their society iz creepy.
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hikaru004



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:06 pm Reply with quote
So if this one passes, then people could say in retrospect the protesters should have let the previous bill thru. The current amendment is definitely worse.
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Nemo_N



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:14 pm Reply with quote
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So if this one passes, then people could say in retrospect the protesters should have let the previous bill thru.

Why? The reasonable action for the japanese legislators would have been to drop this altogether. It's not the opposition's fault that they decided to double down on the crazy.

Unless you think crazy people should be able to do whatever they want just to keep them from doing crazier stuff.
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Kaibaman21



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:15 pm Reply with quote
rpb3000 wrote:
Regardless of whether or not some material makes you feel squeamish is no basis to outright ban it via the law. Get over yourselves. It's all fiction anyway.


It doesn't matter if its fiction the point is its going to affect sales in real life, it could be used to bring companies to be shut down. This can bring our reading material outlawed, whether its Fan Fiction or the real deal our stories will be forced to be the god damn same! That could make only characters of 16 years+ to only exists in our stories characters won't be allowed to marry etc..

Ok I went a bit too far but that could happen if this is passed, what freakin happens in Japan affects all of us if this is passed you stupid idiot!
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Olivine



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:21 pm Reply with quote
http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2010/11/22/anime-and-manga-more-harmful-than-tv-and-films-according-to-tokyo/ wrote:

If the November revision draft is passed as is, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government will have the authority to define the following additional material as harmful to youth and restrict their circulation unilaterally.
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Any manga, animation, or pictures (but not including real life pictures or footage) that features either sexual or pseudo sexual acts that would be illegal in real life,

It isn't illegal if they're both minors.

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or sexual or pseudo sexual acts between close relatives whose marriage would be illegal*,
She's an adopted sibling and/or a robot.

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where the sexual acts or pseudo sexual acts involve acts that excessively disrupt social order, such as rape,

It was actually just erotic roleplay.

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where such depictions and / or presentations unjustifiably glorify or emphasize the activity in such a way that they would excessively impede upon the formation of a healthy ability for judgement regarding sexuality of youth and there by be detrimental toward the healthy development of youth.

Check out the 'safe sex' info page that we put in so that youth can learn to develop all healthily-like.

Also, all the companies are based in Osaka now.

Whats the problem, now?
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Mune



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:22 pm Reply with quote
This bill seems to be exclusively targeting anime, manga, and games.

If this does pass, Japan will have to deal with the consequences.
Sales will fall and that's a no-brainer.
Artists and/or fans will either adjust to the changes or rebel.

Honestly, it just seems like Japan is digging its own grave by trying to pass this...Good luck!(You're gonna need it)
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Kit-Tsukasa



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:30 pm Reply with quote
Mune wrote:
Artists and/or fans will either adjust to the changes or rebel.


The latter will likely happen. The amount of jobs that this will affect is absurdly insane. Music artists, seiyuus, mangaka, and the entire anime industry will be affected because of further limiting the already scarce adaptation resources. The bill is basically telling the anime, manga, and game industry that drives a very large chunk of Japan's economy to GTFO or find a new occupation. We're even talking about people aging between 16 year old to 60 year old people.

Even if you tell them to re-adapt to the new standards, the amount of time it would take for it to really be accustomed to by the audience and consumers themselves is unknown.
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Jaymie



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:29 am Reply with quote
You guys are being overly dramatic. Not all Anime is graphic porn involving incest and/or rape.

I'm not a fan of this, but at least they aren't considering drawn characters to be child pornography any more. On the other hand, adults should be able to read or watch cartoons of whatever they want. Even if it involves rape/incest/harmful material. It's not real people.

Children should not have access to that crap. But Japan already outlawed that, so whatever.
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Olivine



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:36 am Reply with quote
Did anyone even read the translation? First of all, they can already regulate "stimulating" stuff. The industry hasn't imploded or been ruled with an iron fist. Here's the additional stuff that minors couldn't buy if the amendment goes through:

-Adult/minor funny business
Like minors were a huge market for this in the first place. I'm tempted to say good riddance to that crap, anyway.

-Incest funny business
Oh noes. Switch blood relatives to adopted relatives and you're done.

-Crazy raep business
Another market where minors are a huge market share...

That's about it.

This is about as lolable as the COICA bill going through the United States government.
Government: "Hey, you bad, evil sites! We're going to keep your domain names off the DNS servers! HA ha hA haaAHAHA!"
Blocked Site Admin: "So guys instead of typing omgheyletsdownloadeverthingomg.nz to get to our site, you now type //123.123.123.123/. Or hey just install this Firefox Add-on that automatically changes it for you."

The sky is not falling. srs.
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