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NEWS: NEWS: 10 Manga Publishers to Boycott Tokyo Anime Fair


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Jariten
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:52 pm Reply with quote
I've been working at TAF for three years, and I have to say:

This certainly is big news, but it should be noted that the manga publishers have typically had a smaller presence at TAF than the anime production companies and TV networks do. In Japan, the two industries - anime and manga - have a bit more distance between then than they do here. The decision of the publishers will impact the fair - perhaps by way of the relationship that manga industry groups have with committees at the production companies - but...

...I'm pretty sure that TAF will try to press on despite this. Now if Studio Pierrot, Toei, or one of the big networks - TV Tokyo, Fuji TV, NTV, etc. - were to cancel their booths over this - that would cause the organizers to panic. They buy the most booth space at the fair, and without their sponsorship and their displays driving traffic, the fair will suffer.

Not to mention that - as Egan mentioned - the ordinance hasn't even been up for vote yet.

Anyone else who has been to TAF before want to chime in?
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Reaper gI



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:32 pm Reply with quote
Jariten wrote:
...I'm pretty sure that TAF will try to press on despite this. Now if Studio Pierrot, Toei, or one of the big networks - TV Tokyo, Fuji TV, NTV, etc. - were to cancel their booths over this - that would cause the organizers to panic. They buy the most booth space at the fair, and without their sponsorship and their displays driving traffic, the fair will suffer.

Not to mention that - as Egan mentioned - the ordinance hasn't even been up for vote yet.

It's not being oposed by the DJP, it's going to pass. They ammended it to add an artistic merit clause of some kind.
[translated source] http://twitter.com/dankanemitsu/status/13249835423506432

How many anime are not bassed on a manga/novel. They are pulling their properties, not just not attending themselves. The 'shopped poster should ilustrate the point fairly well http://twitpic.com/3elscd
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Sunday Silence



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:46 pm Reply with quote
GhstDreamer wrote:
v1cious wrote:
He also has it in for homosexuals: http://mainichi.jp/select/wadai/news/20101208k0000m040122000c.html

The funny is part is this probably the LEAST offensive thing Ishihara has done (denied Nanking, called the Chinese animals...). How this man keeps getting re-elected is beyond me. with all those big names backing out, this will be a disaster of epic proportions.


My guess is the majority of the populace shares his political, racial and social views, so therefore they keep re-electing him. That's actually what's frightening.


No, he has a bitchin' sound truck.

Guess who else has sound trucks?
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The Mad Manga Massacre



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:22 am Reply with quote
Reaper gI wrote:
Jariten wrote:
...I'm pretty sure that TAF will try to press on despite this. Now if Studio Pierrot, Toei, or one of the big networks - TV Tokyo, Fuji TV, NTV, etc. - were to cancel their booths over this - that would cause the organizers to panic. They buy the most booth space at the fair, and without their sponsorship and their displays driving traffic, the fair will suffer.

Not to mention that - as Egan mentioned - the ordinance hasn't even been up for vote yet.

It's not being oposed by the DJP, it's going to pass. They ammended it to add an artistic merit clause of some kind.
[translated source] http://twitter.com/dankanemitsu/status/13249835423506432

How many anime are not bassed on a manga/novel. They are pulling their properties, not just not attending themselves. The 'shopped poster should ilustrate the point fairly well http://twitpic.com/3elscd


Shocked Are you sure that the DJP is not opposing the bill?
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Sacto0562



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:27 am Reply with quote
BleuVII wrote:
You know, there is a simple solution to all of this, which is to move the fair outside of Tokyo. Seriously, Kyoto welcomes animators and mangaka with open arms. It wouldn't surprise me if they really came out on top through all of this.


Watch the Tokyo Anime Fair get boycotted by the big animation studios in Japan and within two years it will be replaced by an even more popular fair in either Kyoto or Osaka.

Why not Kyoto or Osaka? Because both cities are easily reachable by train or road, just getting there is not an issue, and there is a very thriving manga culture in the Kansai region of Japan.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:06 am Reply with quote
Why fight something that is part of ones culture? I know they are trying to do what THEY think is right for the future of Japan but restricting the purchase/rent of material is only going to be more intriguing. They will wonder why a certain peice of manga/anime/game has been labeled "sexually lude" or "socially wrong". It's like the shiny red button that says "DO NO PUSH". Someones going to push it and the fall out is not going to be good.
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scchan



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:18 am Reply with quote
If I have not mistaken from news release:

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20101211-00000006-mai-soci

The Japan Democratic Party members (current ruling party at the national level, and largest faction in the city council) in Tokyo city council has voiced the support of the motion, and there are now enough votes to pass the motion.

Of course, things may still change before the vote (politics is politics)... and the city council will vote on the motion on the 15th.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:20 am Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
So he's on the executive committee. Lots of events have government funding to encourage tourism in that particular area. TAF is an event with government fundiing and has nothing to do with the bill. If TAF funding was listed within the bill, then you'd have something.


The governor of Tokyo is chairman of a major business expo and under his leadership (and because of it) a large chunk of the industry is boycotting the event. If that doesn't warrant a vote of no confidence in him and his policies then nothing will.

Emerje
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samuelp
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:48 am Reply with quote
Sacto0562 wrote:
BleuVII wrote:
You know, there is a simple solution to all of this, which is to move the fair outside of Tokyo. Seriously, Kyoto welcomes animators and mangaka with open arms. It wouldn't surprise me if they really came out on top through all of this.


Watch the Tokyo Anime Fair get boycotted by the big animation studios in Japan and within two years it will be replaced by an even more popular fair in either Kyoto or Osaka.

Why not Kyoto or Osaka? Because both cities are easily reachable by train or road, just getting there is not an issue, and there is a very thriving manga culture in the Kansai region of Japan.

The location of the fans is irrelevant to the location of the fair.

All that matters is that it is located in the city where the buisiness headquarters are located, and that's Tokyo.

Go ahead and name all the anime and manga companies who are based in Kyoto and/or Osaka: Kyoto Animation. Okay, good, there's one. Now try and name another.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:54 am Reply with quote
Jariten wrote:
Now if Studio Pierrot, Toei, or one of the big networks - TV Tokyo, Fuji TV, NTV, etc. - were to cancel their booths over this - that would cause the organizers to panic.


Can i ask something stupid?
Does the government have any pull and/or control over these TV stations?
It makes me wonder if the networks are not pulling out simply because they are somewhat government controlled. Could the government just say, "Hey, don't pull out or we'll cut your sponsors and funding, HA!" or something to that effect?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:27 am Reply with quote
SteelyMag wrote:
Jariten wrote:
Now if Studio Pierrot, Toei, or one of the big networks - TV Tokyo, Fuji TV, NTV, etc. - were to cancel their booths over this - that would cause the organizers to panic.


Can i ask something stupid?
Does the government have any pull and/or control over these TV stations?
It makes me wonder if the networks are not pulling out simply because they are somewhat government controlled. Could the government just say, "Hey, don't pull out or we'll cut your sponsors and funding, HA!" or something to that effect?
Sorry, I'm not Jariten but I thought NTV had some government funding. Most of the studios are not large businesses, so have less regulation and involvement from the government. But with anything some form of government steps in if a company is violating a rule or regulation such as not paying taxes, underpaying employees, being excessively wasteful, etc.

The government knows its place when it comes to things that could impact the market and consumers negatively. This gives broadcasters and studios freedom to participate in an event or not, because removing that freedom or penalizing them for a certain stance on a political issue like this will impact consumers and then widespread chaos will break out. Hopefully they are sensible enough to prevent that from happening.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:25 am Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:
So far studies in the US have yet to prove sufficiently that violent entertainment can cause violent behavior in children.


proven definitively or satisfactorily demonstrated ? I'm sure that at least from Bandura onwards most studies into the relation(s) between media and behaviour have sufficiently indicated an increased predisposition to violence (thoughts, expectations, associations, behaviours etc).
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:52 am Reply with quote
samuelp wrote:
The location of the fans is irrelevant to the location of the fair.

All that matters is that it is located in the city where the buisiness headquarters are located, and that's Tokyo.

Go ahead and name all the anime and manga companies who are based in Kyoto and/or Osaka: Kyoto Animation. Okay, good, there's one. Now try and name another.


I'm sorry, but this situation is getting to the point that I really can see the major animation studios and possibly Asahi Broadcasting, Fuji TV, NTV and TV Tokyo all seriously considering boycotting the 2011 Tokyo Anime Fair. All the major manga publishers have already pretty much boycotted this fair, and the manga industry is WAY bigger than the anime industry in Japan.

And the people of Osaka and Kyoto will more than welcome a replacement fair with open arms.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:04 am Reply with quote
samuelp wrote:
Sacto0562 wrote:
BleuVII wrote:
You know, there is a simple solution to all of this, which is to move the fair outside of Tokyo. Seriously, Kyoto welcomes animators and mangaka with open arms. It wouldn't surprise me if they really came out on top through all of this.


Watch the Tokyo Anime Fair get boycotted by the big animation studios in Japan and within two years it will be replaced by an even more popular fair in either Kyoto or Osaka.

Why not Kyoto or Osaka? Because both cities are easily reachable by train or road, just getting there is not an issue, and there is a very thriving manga culture in the Kansai region of Japan.

The location of the fans is irrelevant to the location of the fair.

All that matters is that it is located in the city where the buisiness headquarters are located, and that's Tokyo.


Where the fair is located is almost as irrelevant. Not 100%, but close. If there are deals to be made at a fair, then the Japanese companies will send representatives there. Hell, they send reps to San Diego and New York, they can send a lot more to Osaka, Kyoto or Kobe.

But a more interesting idea would be to hold the fair in Saitama, Chiba or Kanagawa prefectures. Getting to, for example, Yokohama, would be quicker and easier than Tokyo Big Site for most of the Tokyo-based companies. And the TAF doesn't take up the entire Big Site, just a portion of a portion. I'm sure it could fit in some other convention center. And in any of those locations, there would be no Tokyo-only laws.

I could see, if this law goes through, a new Akihabara-style otaku-based shopping town springing up near the border of either Saitama and Tokyo or Kanagawa and Tokyo. There, they could sell anything that Tokyo doesn't allow.

I get the feeling that Ishihara thinks that, "Where Tokyo goes, Japan goes," but it would be sure fun to see if it just sends a lot of commerce to the surrounding prefectures.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:03 pm Reply with quote
Onizuka666 wrote:
Fairplay to publishers with their boycott. Its clear this is another clandestine U.S push to oppress japanese works once again. Sure, some japanese works are crazy warped and questionable, but they are their works first, and placing shackles on creative freedom and works is dangerous.

Sorry to burst your bubble but this is more likely the U.N. & their child exploitation campaign that has been upset eith Japan for years over the imaginary anime & manga children being abused.
I assume Metropolitan refers to just the municipality of Tokyo so this is like various cities here like Frisco doing marriages for homosexuals when others in the state weren't or their recently banning fast food joints from offering toys with kid meals. In that perspective, fast food joints can comply, or they could not add outlets in the area or even choose to close outlets. Most likely they will comply, but this is the same for this.

It is completely in the area of actions for these companies that so closely work with manga artists to put their money where their mouth is & refuse to play with Tokyo. If they aren't important to the event as somehere say, then it doesn't really matter. On the other hand Comic-Con International saw a certain number of cancellations this year as the Twilight franchise chose to to hold their own con (as overpriced as it sounded).

How is it wrong or illegal or whatever? Tokyo is passing a law these businesses feel is detrimental to their business. One wouldn't insist beer companies had to attend a teetotaler convenetion, would one?

The issue is, from what I've seen about the U.N project is it's one of those touchy-feely things. Is it a good thing to end actual child porn? Of course. Children are not able to give consent & really can't understand all of the implications involved in saying yes to sex. Even teens are a ball of emotion no sane adult would really want to be involved in unless they're looking for some sort of control (or are being controlled by the teen as some adults claim, but that's just pathetic. Who's the adult?)

But that doesn't apply to made-up children.
Is it gross to think of someone actually getting off on lolicon?
Sure, but most of the guys who defend lolicon claim it's not like that & they don't so who are we to say otherwise?

But this bill doesn't really touch that. We see Ishihara's prudish take on marital sex & presumably BL, but if this is to keep this stuff out of the hands of children, children shouldn't be accessing it because they already seem to have age ratings so this is a lot of bluster over absolutely squat.

It's like some American city passing an ordinance outlawing slavery. It's already illegal. It just needs to be enforced.

The dangerous side of this bill is it's rather arbitrary. It's like Texas saying they'd offer incentives to film companies to film there, but then deciding after the film Machete was made to deny granting the film the promised incentives because someone in the Governor's office felt it was a negative portrayal of Texans. One would assume Texas received all the benefits of employment, etc while the film was made.
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