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ANNCast Holiday Special II Part Two

SonicRenegade84 wrote:

Otaku_X wrote: You all hate Mouse, Kiss X Sis, Saber Marionette, Fubuki, the Final Fantasy anime, Eiken, but you like the Love Hina anime? If it makes you feel any better, I didn't like Love Hina. I LOVE the manga, I hate the anime.

I'll agree to that, the manga is one of my favorites, but the anime butchered it. Seems they just can't adapt Ken Akamatsu's stuff right. I liked the second Negima anime, but that was pretty much it's own thing.

I enjoyed those "Worst 10 Anime" lists a lot, though thankfully I've steered clear of most of them. I agree with the Saber Marionette series, though I think that's more just about me really disliking stuff that Satoru Akahori works on (though, Video Girl Ai is a personal favorite series and he worked on that, but hey, even Koichi Mashimo has Tylor to his name...). I think two of the worst things I've seen in recent years were Le Portrait de Petit Cosette and Ladies vs. Butlers. What was I thinking making myself sit through the whole thing, as though I was expecting something to suddenly happen that made the experience all worthwhile?

For the record, I'd cite VS Knight Lamune & 40 Fire as being the worst anime I've seen. It was so bad, I actually got a refund on the fansub tape I blind-bought.

As far as the movie lists...it's pretty common for me to be at odds with movie critics, because the movies that are usually considered "Oscar bait" never really do much for me. With so many films, I could see them once, think "Ah, that was cool." and never feel a need to see the film ever again. I've only seen a couple of the movies on Zac's list (though I totally agree with the shout-out to Ratatouille as Pixar's best - and I think Brad Bird is damn excellent), but I don't know that I've seen a single movie on Justin's list, and hadn't even heard of the majority of them.

I guess, when it comes to movies in particular, that's one medium where I'm a pretty low-brow consumer. I mainly just see stuff that already fits in with what I know I like, and don't really consume much in the way of auteur or indie works, or seek out classics to see. Even if I took my favorite films, they're favorites because they're entertaining - most films don't really speak to me personally in the way some of my favorite anime have, and my favorite anime list would probably outrank a lot of my favorite film list if the two were shuffled together. But then, I don't really have the critical "tools" to appreciate film in the way people who took film classes do, so I end up using the tools I've got available to me, from study of literature (which unfortunately leaves out a lot of the 'cinematic language').

Still, an interesting show all around; I like to hear these kinds of opinions and discussions. I'm in the process of writing a "Top 10 Favorite Anime for 2000-2010" list and was wondering whether there'd been a podcast like that. If not, I'd certainly be up for hearing one. This decade has delivered some interesting stuff, and I think it's worth the contemplation.

Thanks again for a year of podcasting that has kept me very entertained at work, and happy holidays.

However, I will say some movie adaptations of novels could be better, especially when it comes to the classics. Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland was good, I enjoyed it, but it didn't follow the book much.

Honestly if Zac thinks that Saber Marionette J is one of the worst of that type of show than he must not have seen DearS, or Girl Bravo.

I just hope they don't make a Dracula adaptation yet, it might get a Twilight treatment and completely butcher they original.

That's because it's a SEQUEL, not an adaptation. They kind of made that very clear in the movie. Don't get me wrong, Burton's film definitely could have been better (it was okay, but man, I so wanted to see the "McGee Alice" so much more), but "Adaptation Decay" cannot be an issue here.

Who's they? Don't forget that Francis Ford Coppola took a stab at it ("stab," get it?) back in the 90's with the help of Keanu "I'm British, honest!" Reeves. I rather liked that one, personally.

I'm with Zac on Tim Burton, he hit his peak with Ed Wood, but even before that, some of his movies don't hold up that well. with emphasis on his 2 batman movies.

animehermit wrote:

I'm with Zac on Tim Burton, he hit his peak with Ed Wood, but even before that, some of his movies don't hold up that well. with emphasis on his 2 batman movies.

I disagree. His Batman movies hold up extremely well for me. I still like the original more than TDK.

penguintruth wrote:

animehermit wrote: I'm with Zac on Tim Burton, he hit his peak with Ed Wood, but even before that, some of his movies don't hold up that well. with emphasis on his 2 batman movies. I disagree. His Batman movies hold up extremely well for me. I still like the original more than TDK.

for a lot of people thats sort of a nostalgia thing, I grew up with Batman: TAS and the larger DCAU, which led to my own interest in comics. I guess i'm used to the more realistic approach to Batman, but Burton's films always seem corny and silly to me. the first one is a good movie, i'll give you that. the 2nd one is laughably terrible though, regardless of what anyone says about the Penguin.

What? Look, just because it doesn't skew as realistic as Nolan's Batman films does not make it "corny and silly". Burton's Batman movies are, to me, a lot more like reading Batman comics. Nolan's are like applying as much realism to Batman as possible, which makes for some gripping drama, but otherwise strips some of the mystique away. They get bogged down in their own self-importance.

Burton's films concentrated on the bizarre and freakish nature of Batman's world, as Burton is wont to do. This is why they work so well.

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Okay here we go Redline *sigh* I've said this before on the forums but Ill say it again. This movie was and is still being Incredibly Hyped. I will admit this movie has style but thats all it has going for it. I understand people love style but I don't go to the movies pay an extra amount for special service and posters (which I did and REGRET) to watch a motion picture book. I was so bored in the theater all i did was close my eyes and wait for the final race the music was good it fit the style so i can't say i was completely bored, think Tron: The Legacy (except Tron actually has a story to give a crap about)

animehermit wrote:

penguintruth wrote: animehermit wrote: I'm with Zac on Tim Burton, he hit his peak with Ed Wood, but even before that, some of his movies don't hold up that well. with emphasis on his 2 batman movies. I disagree. His Batman movies hold up extremely well for me. I still like the original more than TDK. for a lot of people thats sort of a nostalgia thing, I grew up with Batman: TAS and the larger DCAU, which led to my own interest in comics. I guess i'm used to the more realistic approach to Batman, but Burton's films always seem corny and silly to me. the first one is a good movie, i'll give you that. the 2nd one is laughably terrible though, regardless of what anyone says about the Penguin.

What? Look, just because it doesn't skew as realistic as Nolan's Batman films does not make it "corny and silly". Burton's Batman movies are, to me, a lot more like reading Batman comics. Nolan's are like applying as much realism to Batman as possible, which makes for some gripping drama, but otherwise strips some of the mystique away. They get bogged down in their own self-importance.

Burton's films concentrated on the bizarre and freakish nature of Batman's world, as Burton is wont to do. This is why they work so well.