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StormSky92
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 Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:12 pm
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Wow, this is escalating quickly. (no meme intended)
Never expected a police investigation would happen over this. I thought they would just remove the photograph and that would be the end of it.
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dtm42
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:51 pm
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The boy doesn't even look European. His eyes and nose (and to a lesser extent his mouth and skin colour) are not European/Caucasian at all.
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revolutionotaku
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:11 pm
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I remember seeing a cover of "SPIN" magazine in the late 90's with a drawing of Eric Cartman & Chef from "South Park" in the same pose as this on.
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methaniel
Joined: 13 Jan 2013
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:28 pm
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It's admittedly really hard to see how this boy can be caucasian...What's more strange is that by now they don't know who is this little boy and that they haven't checked his nationality (which if he's not Japanese. would be at least half- or something)
Anyway, I do feel that it's quite over-reacting for a simple photo that didn't really felt offensive (or at least no more than usual gravure shots which I already consider quite "strange")
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Daemonblue
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:30 pm
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The kid is obviously not of european descent unless he's like 1/32nd and mostly asian. Heck, you can still see some black in his hair around his bangs.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:01 am
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Haha, so he's gaijin after all. 
| Murder, She wrote: | |
The maximum sentence for distribution of child pornography in Japan is five years in prison and a 5-million-yen fine (about US$56,000) fine. |
Heheheh, that's not scary; that's not scary at all.
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Since when does Japan care about actual child pornography? "Junior idols" are a-ok and (there's a chance I'm wrong here but) as far as I know possession of child porn isn't even a crime, just distribution. (Am I wrong about that?) |
Yes, though a couple of recent exceptions. It can be complicated:
- When police in Japan's old historic capital of Kyoto nabbed three men this summer for buying child pornography DVDs online, they made history: for the first time, someone in the country faces the possibility of jail time for possessing such material.
Japan is the only OECD nation that has not universally outlawed possession of child pornography and activists say the new, tougher local laws in Kyoto will not change that overnight.
Out of Japan's 47 provinces, only Kyoto bans possession of child pornography and prescribes a jail sentence. Neighbouring Nara is the only other province to deem it a crime, but it has only financial penalties.
In 1999, Japan outlawed production and distribution of child pornography as well as possession with the intention to pass it on, and offenders could face fines and prison terms of up to five years. However, simple possession, without an intention to distribute, remains legal, except in Kyoto and Nara.
Kyoto's new ordinance that came into force in January imposes fines for possession of child pornography and introduces a penalty of up to one year in jail for buying or downloading such material.
The Democrats, however, have argued that local initiatives were going too far and making owning child pornography a crime could lead to abuse of police powers and that investigators should focus on those who make and distribute the material.
They have also voiced concern that a blanket ban could be extended to comics and animation, which in turn could infringe on the freedom of expression.
A rare endorsement for tougher laws from Japan's National Police Agency (NPA), which usually avoids positions on legislation and policy, could however help revive the debate.
The organisation warns that Japanese police cannot coordinate with international sting operations because domestic law is out of sync with most of the developed world. Unfortunately for the victims, few of the men can be prosecuted, even when the law works well.
Police data show a steady rise in cases of child pornography production and distribution -- there were a record 1,455 cases in 2011, up 8.4 percent from 2010. This year is likely to be another record with 1,016 cases by the end of July, nearly a 10 percent rise.
A 2002 cabinet office survey showed that 15 percent of Japanese men polled have seen child pornography and 10 percent admitted to owning it.
Japan signed a UN protocol in 2005 that bans all forms of involvement in child pornography, including its possession, and a 2007 government survey showed 90 percent of the Japanese public favoured tougher laws.
Yet a 2008 draft law and its later versions got stuck in a legislative limbo amid frequent government changes and political trench warfare in a divided parliament.
The resistance came from lawmakers, many in the Democratic party that won power in 2009, who feared the laws could be abused to frame political opponents and only proposed punishing those who buy the material "repeatedly". Japan's bar associations also opposed the possession ban, concerned it would give police too much leeway.
Yet, the bar association's arguments come amid criticism of Japan's detention laws by rights groups. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have opposed the system under which judges routinely allow investigators to hold suspects for up to 23 days before they are charged.
Others who wield considerable power in the debate are manga publishers and fans, who fear that anti-porn laws could hit their genre, exposing it to censorship, and so oppose changes to current laws.
Some children's rights advocates also say the portrayal of minors as sex objects has become so commonplace that the public has grown to accept it as normal. One instance is the so-called junior idol genre that features child models in DVDs and photo books striking provocative poses.
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dragon695
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:01 am
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| sherps wrote: | | what?? thats outrages, i would consider that boy the luckiest kid in the world, you get to touch a famous idols nipple and you get paid for it (i think but i might be wrong) |
Why? Just because you think it is fine now doesn't mean the kid will think so.
I mentioned this in the other thread, but I cringe whenever I hear people go on about how lucky the kid is. In all likelihood, he could appreciate it later on, but who can say that for sure? For one thing, what if it is used against him later on in life? What if it turns out he is gay and didn't appreciate being put up to this at all?
That is the reason why we have laws like this, to ensure that children who don't really understand the consequences/meaning of sexuality aren't exploited by people who are in positions of authority.
In the end, this just comes down to how ball-less Japanese men are that they can't get off if (le gasp) a real man was in that picture.
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Sam Murai
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:13 pm
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To everyone doubting the boy's ethnicity, the keyword is "descent", as in "he has some X blood in him". No one said he was 100% European. More likely than not, he is part-European, part-Japanese and/or some other Asian ethnicity. He could have had his hair dyed, sure, but if he's mixed, then there is a chance he could have naturally blond hair.
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Daemonblue
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:40 pm
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| Sam Murai wrote: | | To everyone doubting the boy's ethnicity, the keyword is "descent", as in "he has some X blood in him". No one said he was 100% European. More likely than not, he is part-European, part-Japanese and/or some other Asian ethnicity. He could have had his hair dyed, sure, but if he's mixed, then there is a chance he could have naturally blond hair. |
If that hair is natural then he's like Kodaka in Haganai as you can quite clearly see the streaks of black underneath the blond when you look around his bangs.
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:43 pm
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Can anyone else hear Kodansha plead "it was photoshopped, he wasn't really there." My, my, haven't things changed in Japan. 
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tzivya
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:58 am
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| Sam Murai wrote: | | To everyone doubting the boy's ethnicity, the keyword is "descent", as in "he has some X blood in him". No one said he was 100% European. More likely than not, he is part-European, part-Japanese and/or some other Asian ethnicity. He could have had his hair dyed, sure, but if he's mixed, then there is a chance he could have naturally blond hair. |
This. This is also an argument that was used for decades/centuries denying that men could be raped. 'But he got to do <x> to a girl! How could he not like that?'
This was a wildly inappropriate to put someone that age in, and I am not surprised it is being followed up on as such. If you reversed their ages and had a young girl being held by the breasts from a 20+ man, people wouldn't bat an eyelash at condemning the people involved in making it. But make it a boy, and it's 'Gee, isn't he lucky he got to fondle a famous idol?'
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Polycell
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:36 am
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Are you seriously trying to compare a voluntary photoshoot to rape? There's so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start!
In any event, he's just grabbing flabs of flesh to hide part from the camera - there's no reason to suppose he'd care strongly at his age either way and I highly doubt he's going to be traumatized by it even if he grows up to be the gayest man on earth. Really the only reason he'd have at this point to remember it as anything but another gig is the police involvement(assuming his parents are halfway decent, since otherwise they'd be the ones to blame).
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:28 am
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| Sam Murai wrote: | | To everyone doubting the boy's ethnicity, the keyword is "descent", as in "he has some X blood in him". No one said he was 100% European. More likely than not, he is part-European, part-Japanese and/or some other Asian ethnicity. He could have had his hair dyed, sure, but if he's mixed, then there is a chance he could have naturally blond hair. |
The eye's would be a positive marker. Any person no matter what mix would be a rare living being indeed if that person had naturally blonde hair, but black Asian eye pupils.
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