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Laruto
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4Kids can do anything they want to one piece because its theirs. Point of the matter is that they thought they could achieve something from that opening but then later decided to change it; is it really that much of big a deal? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! companies can change things if they believe that what they do change is going to sell the product better. I have to admit that even though I love One Piece, the We are theme isn't as catchy as the Rap. |
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Yashouzoid
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Laruto, with posts like that I can't take you seriously at all, so I'm just going to ignore you, thanks. Though I'll have to call crap on your comment about One Piece being "theirs" therefore giving "them" the right to butcher it. Sure, what they're doing is nothing illegal, but the way 4K!DS operates is to make money. What they're doing to One Piece is wasting away a perfectly good megahit, and we all know how much 4K!DS digs those. Oh, and pointing out that One Piece is "kiddy" has no relevance to the discussion, congratulations, you just typed five extra letters.
As for Emerje, swearing comes natural to me. If you're offended I can re-edit the comments. |
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Emerje
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It's not just the swearing, it's your general attitude. And besides, we're just going to continue to butt heads on the issues so let's just move on. Emerje |
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Yashouzoid
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Also, to contribute something to this topic that isn't arguing - according to Right Stuf, Viz is releasing One Piece. Ugh... they're such a pushover when it comes to these things. I know Shonen Jump will pimp it. |
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Demaar
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The comments made in this thread make me wish for one of two things:
1: Kids (on a large scale) become huge enough anime fans that they want what we want. or 2: Kids getting over anime so 4kids won't go anywhere near it. The first option sounds preferable to me, but the 2nd is more likely. |
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Emerje
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Not likely. Kids settle for whatever is given to them. The demographic that 4Kids entertains wouldn't know enough about these shows to complain one way or the other. I find kids at that age really have no concept of "anime" or the industry that surrounds it.
Again, not likely. Kids don't watch these shows because they're anime, they watch them because they're free and entertaining cartoons. What it would take is for the FCC to cut back on some of their restrictions and for 4Kids to try to push the envelope. But neither of those are very likely. Emerje |
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nakama
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i want this to happen to 4kids one piece i want it to be canceled and never shown on tv again its proven to be a flop for the evil company so they should get rid of it in japan one piece is bigger then naruto and pokemon(and in its original format-one of the best animes) in america its a low budget pirate cartoon i am a huge one piece fan and even i want it of tv 4kids killed it and i want them dead for it |
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Yashouzoid
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That's why the fans need to complain. If we're silent, nobody hears us. And the FCC only controls content censorship, anything else is 4Kids's doing. |
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Emerje
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Heh, well, I did say it wasn't likely to happen.
Fans can complain all they want, just don't expect kids to do teh same, they don't know any better.
Doesn't content censorship include nudity, harsh language, and violence in childrens shows? Emerje |
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Pepperidge
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Yes, but 4Kids alters far, far more than that.
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Yashouzoid
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Pepperidge
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Now now Yash, I don't think you should let a misunderstanding like this drag this thread down. Arguing like this just discredits the idea of One Piece getting a decent release.
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Emerje
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And I can't take you seriously when you'd rather side step points than address them. Emerje |
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Pepperidge
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Yash's point is that the major problem that people have with 4Kids' reversioning is not censorship to comply with FCC regulations, but how the music is changed, dialogue is severely altered, and episodes are very often edited together, generally excising more scenes of emotion or character development than any kind of content that the FCC would find offensive.
Also, the double-standard that they edit a lot of their shows to pretty much proves that a lot of the censorship they employ isn't necessary. Things that are shown frequently in Shaman King and TMNT are just as frequently edited in One Piece. Honestly, I really don't like it when people accuse One Piece fans of only complaining about stuff like the blood and excessive violence being removed and Sanji's cigarette being replaced. If those were the only things changed in the 4Kids version of One Piece, I would be happy with it. Unfortunately, in a lot of cases those ARE the only things that a lot of short-sighted people complain about, and it really weakens the cause. :-/ |
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Emerje
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OK, fair enough. This is the first I've heard of the shows being spliced together or unnecessary dialogue edits. However, the dialogue edits aren't always changed for sake of being changed, I can see why they would come up with killer chakrums over suicide (as goofy as it came across). And I guess I'd rather have supersoakers over empty hands and pointing fingers like in Yugioh. Hammer guns on the other hand, if the point is that you're going to kill the guy why bother changing it? Hey, I never said I approved of all of their edits.
I think their biggest problem is a lack of communication within the 4Kids office. Every one of their shows have a manager appointed to it that's incharge of making any changes and edits that are required to get these shows on TV. The problem is that the FCC regulations are not always clear cut and are up to interpretation (look at what happened to Kenshin). It would seem that there is no common guideline for the 4Kids managers to follow so it's up to each one of them to interpret the regulations. I know a guy that originally worked as a Ninja Turtles production manager (he now works for Hasbro) and action and a certain amount of maturity for the nostalgics was something he worked towards before leaving. Other managers may not feel comfortable with that approach when editing a show (as opposed to building a show up) since it puts their jobs on the line, so they may not be as easy going on a show. The manager for Shaman King probably felt more comfortable with a violent show than the manager for One Piece did. Now, of course I'm reading a lot into how they opperate, but that's my take on the inconsistant editing. Emerje |
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