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toomanyalts
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Most likey Ms. Answerman got the link by doing a google search. And didn't think to check the main website. After all the id of the website doesn't look to be errotic stuff but anti-spanking.
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Cloe
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You read my mind, Key! I was totally going to mention that film. (Although it's been over a year and at least 5 viewings and I'm still a little confused about th ending...  )
That link to the school punishments was so unsettling. I'll blame my sheltered upbringing, but I was completely shocked at some of the descriptions. 12 teachers beating up on a kid for three hours??? How can they sleep at night? |
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astra
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I think Ms. Answerman needs to do her "research" a bit better. The fact that she passed off erotic fiction as fact is quite amusing. I was wondering where the name Alice Liddell came from and then remembered Alice in Wonderland. Next time, just remember that Google is not a proper research tool
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Cowpunk
Posts: 168 Location: Oakland - near the Newtype Lab |
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[quote="Cloe"]
Since the authors book came out Japan has been strugggling with the problems of the educational system. Several reforms have taken place and the press is more vigilant in it's reporting. With the recent bombing that injured over 50 students we may see even more discussion in Japan on the problems of schools. http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20050611a1.htm |
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Treeloot
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I don't mind fansubs, or even fansubs or DVD rips of licensed stuff. What does make me angry though, is people making money off that stuff. I think the people involved with physical bootlegs or charging for downloads ought to be in jail. Hell, if it's the website I'm thinking of, the owner already ought to be in jail for fraud, because he doesn't give out any prizes for donations like he claims.
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tsurara
Posts: 4 Location: Albany, NY |
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Wonderful research Ms. Answerman: you've linked to an article nearly 10 years out-of-date and a porno site (using a quote from it as "factual") and have, in turn, implied that Japanese high schools are havens of battered students.
Cases of extreme corporal punishment are quite rare... punishment in general seems to be more lax then ever, and cases like those of the gate crushing (I can only recall one, around when I was in elementary school) are shocking to the Japanese public, but no more common than American teachers sexually molesting/harrassing their students. When asking a 35 year old office worker today about the buckets, I got a laugh "That's only in dramas! They hit me on the head in elementary school... but now the parents are so angry if you raise a hand to their kids that the teachers are afraid to do anything at all to them. The worst thing that happened in my school is suspension." In working in 3 elementary schools, 2 middle schools and a high school, I've never seen these buckets... except, of course, in anime and porn. It's a romanticized remnant of corporal punishment, not a reflection of every-day practice. A correction may be in order. Not to mention ACTUAL research beyond a 5 minute google and cut-n-paste to make sweeping generalizations based on anime... Last edited by tsurara on Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:20 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Isaaru
 Posts: 375 Location: the oppressed colonies in outer space |
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yeah, i always wonder about the prizes they gives out for donations. There freakin crazy..PSPs, 500 dollar gift certificates, Ipods, and stuff like that. |
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frood
 Posts: 7 Location: Norfolk, VA |
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Well no. The ID, and I assume you mean url, of the website is blatantly sexual in nature. Not that I don't appreciate kinky, oh but I do, I am just worried that someones mom finds little Johnny checking out the spanking website and has a cow. Bad for the site's image, wouldn't you say? Frood |
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Haiseikoh 1973
 Posts: 1590 Location: Waiting for the Japanese 1000 Gunieas. |
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Lemme see if I can dig up the link from one of my older HRW e-mails about Capital Punishment in Asia. I sorta remeber them linking to a website with a ton of info about Capital and Coporal Punishment stuff.
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astra
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I love how the article still has not been edited. Are there any mods reading this? This is an example of blatent misinformation and shoddy research and its inexcusable that it is still here.
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Jadress
 Posts: 807 Location: Seattle. It purdy and nerdy! |
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Yes, my boyfriend is Korean and was totally unphased when I told him how shocked I was at the article. He said at his school in Korea, he knew a student who was beaten up so bad by the teacher that he was sent to the hospital, so this kind of thing still happens. I was actually a little upset that he didn't have a reaction to the students in the article who died! Call me sheltered and American, but physically and psychologically damaging children just really bothers me (unless it's EVA, and then it's just a fact of life.. ^^;;; hehe). |
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Haiseikoh 1973
Posts: 1590 Location: Waiting for the Japanese 1000 Gunieas. |
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Can we post Cease and Desist Letters? |
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Nani?
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[quote="Joe Mello"]
Yes, it is. However, the Japanese establishment has used this as an excuse to deflect critism of thier society, often with the collusion of various American governments (for example the LDP gained it's dominence in part with CIA money).
Actually, Japanese Education is often at war with "indigenous" culture if you think of the Ministry of Education as Tokyo "officals" and the "indigenous" population the people of the various towns and cities. On the other hand, Japan has been acutely aware that they had to "catch up" with the west so people were willing to pull together. However, it's questionable as to whether what is taught is what the indigenous culture thinks is important in ways simular to (though not as extensively) what used to happen on American Indian reservations.
But a carefully edited tradition, one that encourages "samurai" values of unquestioning loyalty to daimyo (or corporation in the modern sense) for the great grandchildren of peasants and had various ways of dealing with social problems, including revolts (Avg 1 a month in "peaceful" Tokagawa times), labor protests, etc. "After all, we're all part of a happy family. We produce ideal Japanese (i.e. loyal drones). We wish to create harmony in the workplace."
Yes, and the human cost is going up. There has been a skyrocketing in the number of shut ins, delenquency and suicide. Also, people asking questions like "Why the h*ll should I be a sariman if I never see my kids and the cr*p about harmony and lifetime employment isn't as true as it used to be."
Well, many of the Manga-Ka are such people, just like Rappers and Rock musicans (and thier fans) don't tend to be honor students. For example, I remember reading that two members of CLAMP are high school drop outs (Don't quote me on this one) and manga ka is one outlet for the intelligent but non academically inclined "artistic types" to go for success. It also means a lot of internal dissent within the society is reflected in Anime/Manga.
As for the accuracy of Shogun's Ghost I read for a report I was doing for one of my classes. If you read the chapters in Dogs and Demons by Alex Kerr (A little too biased againstthe establishment IMHO) and Japan: A Reinterpetation (forgot author) both written in the late 90's the same reality is reflected as far as education goes. This reality in the schools seems accurate up to about 2001 when a series of reforms went through to make the schools more "American". However, these seem to be a disaster, mostly due to individualized education being taken out of context by people who don't have any experince with this style of teaching. A good source of information on this is in Japan Unbound (2003). All the Best, Nani? P.S. I'm writing this off the top of my head, from memory, on a friend's computer and do not have all my information in front of me. I wouldn't be surprised in a mistake or two snuck in. It is generally accurate however. |
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Mohawk52
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I can remember growing up in the 50's and early 60's such things were all a part of the education system and it was supported by the parents who normally exercised their own form of corporal punishment. I went to a Catholic school and some of the nuns were brutal. One who taught year 8, had a small slate board with a black piece of rubber garden hose drapped over it. If your name went on that slate you were paraded up in front of the class before dismissal and "disciplined" with that hose across your arse or where ever she could lay it on you with force. Thankfully she was an old battleaxe of a woman and the bishop had her quietly "retired" from teaching when one student's parents raised a stink about the bruises left on that student's legs, and she was gone by the time I got there. But still I had my days in excution with the use of metel rulers. a long wooden spoon, and the old favourite, the bamboo cane.
 But that's all gone now with strict laws not to. Now some of our schools are like schools from hell with teachers being bullied and beaten, and even stabbed and raped.
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fuchikoma
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It now says "spanking fetish site" but still seems to pass it off as fact. Ironically, this would be about the same as if a newspaper wrote an article on anime culture and copy+pasted a paragraph from an H fanfic, then claimed it was an original story from the manga author. Generally though, you'd do best to just ignore anime "pundits" and research things for yourself. Especially when you see these pundits making random bestiality jokes out of the blue (see Inu Yasha question in the same article). Could've been funny... if it had any relevance whatsoever to the question. Instead, she took a weird tangent and ran with it because randomly insulting your readers is always a good idea. She's given some good answers, but it seems that as you go through the archive, her general tone gets more and more condescending as she gets more questions about trivial things like license dates every time. Maybe she's tired of anime/anime fans, answering questions and doesn't bother to do basic research anymore... in any case, just remember that the difference between an anime "expert" and a random board poster is that the expert has a website to post on... and that's it. 
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