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tuxedocat
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Until there is a Crunchyroll for manga, where all different publishers could be willing to go, and can be accessed from one site, aggregators like Mangafox will attract kids. It would be nice to have one go-to site, like an umbrella site, that would provide "portals" to all the different publishers. Kids don't have any clue about who publishes what. They just know what they want by the title. The site admins would have to know this, and index appropriately. Also, message boards are a must, if they want kids to stay at the site. Yaoi fans downloading yaoi on Kindle. That was almost a calculated move, IMO. Not a lot of stores sell yaoi, mostly because it is almost/exactly like hentai in its level of graphic content. I remember Amazon removing a ton of yaoi titles from their site, resulting in a massive protest from yaoi fans. Now that Yaoi is available through Kindle (an Amazon product), Amazon is now kind of obligated to also sell the physical versions of the titles. Yaoi fans have pretty much guaranteed a source to buy yaoi titles - Amazon. It's kind of fascinating, actually, since Amazon still doesn't peddle regular porn, or didn't the last time I checked. @Deb Aoki I only know enough about Drops of God to want to buy it. I am hoping that the manga will cover more wine varietals than just Bordeaux and highly allocated Cabernet though, since those seem to be the only wines that Asian collectors seem to be interested in. Funny enough, those are the wines that are the worst pairing for most Asian cuisine. I got a laugh when you mentioned Screaming Eagle, and then the subect of Kenzo Estates Winery came up, since Kenzo Estates employs Screaming Eagle's winemaker! I also had to giggle at your descrption of the fancy little silk-lined coffins that Kenzo is packing their individual bottles in. Gotta be honest with you though, I am not wild about Napa's take on bordeaux varietals. Too overripe. Too alchoholic. Don't pair with food. After ten years of cellaring, many of them fall apart. They are fanservice wines. I thought I might be the only wine and manga person. I've been interested in wine from way back when I started chef school (even when I was too young to legally purchase it!) It's really cool to find out you are too. I like the moniker "sommelier of manga"! You should put that up on your twitter page! 
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Paploo
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Tuxedocat-Maybe VIZ will come up with some sort of generic manga site that links to it's assorted online anthologies? The Shonen Sunday site has a bit of interactivity with it's reviews, but adding a forum site w/links to their online manga would probably be a good idea [Animerica's not being used much]. I hope Sunday and Ikki are doing okay for them- both book lines have been pretty good, and it'd be nice to see them launch another magazine, though like Deb pointed out, the simulcast weeklies like Rinne would be pretty time consuming- maybe a monthly shojo series would be easier to handle production-wise?
Tokyopop's website sort of already has had the social media aspect for a number of years, but the site's layout is sort of poor for connecting people with product info despite being *loaded* with free previews- it really needs to be streamlined. Though each change recently has been doing that a little. They just need to connect it all together- they're 1/2 way there to what you're suggesting. I kind of wonder if VIZ's online edition of SJ http://shonenjump.viz.com/ will capture more kids than their Ipad offerings, given it's web based and available to subscribers- parents'ld be quicker to jump onto a magazine subscription for $30.00 than buy their kids an Ipad. |
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Spotlesseden
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i'm not paying $400 for any movie or anime blu-ray boxset either. But i think price is a good strategy for this anime because normally people will never understand KnK. By selling it cheaper, it will draw alot of complains which it will devalue the series. Even if they lower the price to $200, it probably will not double the sale. people that are cheap will not even pay $60 for it. they will just get it illegally. As long as they never lower the price, it should be fine. you should just wait for Fate Zero. |
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agila61
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And on online reading of manga ~ the only flash reader site that works for my netbook is eManga, and its almost all yaoi, so all I can do is hope that Viz and Tokypop and such would buy eManga's online flash reader.
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poonk
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On the topic of reading manga of any sort on the iPad/Kindle/whatever: Maybe I'm old-fashioned but I'm just not interested in replacing the physical book experience with an electronic device. Between my job and my drama-/anime-viewing I spend more than enough time looking at a screen. But I'm glad that it seems like it's doing well. I just hope publishers will continue making paper copies for those of us willing to pay more for them. Last edited by poonk on Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:25 am; edited 1 time in total |
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tuxedocat
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That would work if VIZ could restrain themselves from being too proprietary, and offer portals to other publishers. I'm probably being totally unrealistic to think they would do that, though, and that other publishers would participate. Digital publishing is so fractured right now. These guys need to realize that a kid will browse between publishers/titles, post comments, then browse titles again, ALL on one site and stay there longer. I understand that being proprietary about your product is necessary in some respects, but in certain circumstances it can result in lost business. Like when the kid loses interest and goes to another site. re. ANNCast: I also think that print-to-own is a really good idea. Tokyopop, however, doesn't seem to have it together. Doing a google search you can't really find a link to any index of the titles Tokyopop is offering. The search results in very randomized page links, some directing you to a certain volume of print-to-own, another to reviews or message board posts about it. None of the search result directed me to an index of print-to-own titles. How do they expect this to succeed, when it is not even organized? |
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HyugaHinata
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Regarding Japanese accents: if possible, go back to the author, and if this isn't possible (e.g. in Ayako's case), I would study the dialect used comprehensively, and go with what I felt suited the manga based on its location, era, psychology/mood of the characters, the more info the better.
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tuxedocat
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Sorry about that. I really screwed up.  --You are right. A large block of BL titles are about as far away from porn as you can get. I was thinking of my copy of Crimson Spell (purchased from Amazon) when I made that post. While that title is exquisitely illustrated, it is also eye-poppingly graphic. 
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feitian
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The discussion about Digital Reader and price of entry for that particular type of distribution model seem to draw some parallel with discussion with Shawne Kleckner about bricks and mortar store and cash customers. While I don't have particular insight to offer, this just gets me to worry about the future if Borders were to go under.
Speaking of which, I wasn't actually able to distinguish between B&N and Borders. lol. Square Enix really have a hard time grasping the flows of the market and needs of its customer for some reason, and this isn't just true about their publishing business. >.> For playing FF11 for almost a decade I know that all too well... |
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Nephtis
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Ok I'm home from work and I've got to say this has been one of the most interesting casts in a while, and that's not to say it's been bad by any means recently.
I am a fan of anime to the point that I choose to attempt to study it academically from a cinema studies perspective, yet I only own Fullmetal Alchemist as far as manga goes and really need to re-read it. Deb and Ed get me going when they show their passion for this medium through reasoned and thoughtful discussion instead of rabid fanboy statements like 'manga is always better than anime' without actually reasoning it properly. As a student studying Japanese I'd like to have my two cents about the notion of Japanese dialects in translation to English. I don't want to start a debate, these are my opinions and people are always going to have different viewpoints. Clearly even amongst professional translators there is no consensus. 1) I hated linguistics (ironic given I'm studying a language) so this is possibly totally incorrect, feel free to flame me good and proper, but I feel that a dialect is very different from an accent. Perhaps this mostly stems from the fact that I'm Australian, and for the most part if I go to anywhere in Australia I am fully able to understand what anyone says (aside from a few select words which seem to be specific to certain states). When I watch American film/tv/etc I notice a very distinct difference between accents, yet can generally understand them all. It's still English, even if it sounds a bit different. Japanese on the other hand has dialects that vary in difference from standard Japanese to the point that some are so different that a foreigner like me may as well treat them as totally unintelligible. 2) The notion of a joke being funny to the Japanese because someone has a accent from say Osaka does not (in my opinion) translate to English. First off, as stated in the podcast cultural implications are lost, and new ones are put on with an American accent. 3) As an Australian, the notion of substituting a dialect for an American region's accent is pointless. I'm not trying to suggest by any means American translation/localisation/dubbing should cater specifically to MY needs, I'm merely saying the English language as a whole does not have an equivalent - it varies by region. 4) The notion that 'it's part of the original work/character/whatever' to me is not entirely valid. Translation for manga (again, not a manga fan here!) I assume is the same as anime, and any other form of media. You're localising it. You are adapting the product to the local market. To me in anime a translation is the subtitles (not on every title, but that's my view generally) and localisation is the dub. The subtitles translate directly what's going on and include cultural notes where needed. (Assuming the company is nice!) Manga does not have audio, it has images and text. Therefore to sell it properly, in my opinion, it needs to be localised. Therefore to me (perhaps ignoring point 3 since to localise for the American market is just that) you need to convey the content as faithfully as possible, however things like culturally specific jokes that few people might get in the States seem pointless. Sorry about the long post, I've been listening to the episode on and off during the day and I've been mulling it over. Note that I'm not trying to force my opinion on anyone, just throwing things out for discussion. As a student and someone who wants to get into manga I'm interested in these concepts for sure! Thanks again to Deb, Ed & Zac for a particularly entertaining and engaging couple of hours. The ANNCast is one of my prime reasons for subscribing to ANN as compensation for the enjoyable and informative discussions I get to listen to regularly. /endrant Edit: holy crap that's a long post. Anyone that read this far down gets a salute! Last edited by Nephtis on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:45 am; edited 1 time in total |
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agila61
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Until people's expectation are that print on demand is the same as a regular publication ~ and its getting there on print quality, but it might not quite be there yet for B&W art books ~ they of course have to indicate that its print on demand. One thing print on demand is not "there or close to there" on is color insert pages ~ print on demand with any color (other than cover) needs to be done on the much more expensive color printer/binder, where you pay the color page rate even if 90% of the pages are B&W. (pretty much all printed manga are print to own) |
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Penguin_Factory
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Oh man, it's the return of Princess Knight Guy! I actually skipped over most of that section of the live show because I was embarrassed to listen to it, but the spliced-in voice clips were hilarious.
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immortalrite
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So I was under the impression that the current Evangelion 2.22 theatrical run was going to be dubbed. Is this not the case?
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grooven
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Oh awesome Princess Knight the real Utena!!! I think I will be buying these! OOOh box o_o. Oh I would love Jungle Taitei 0_0 Jungle Emperor Leo. My favorite Tezuka Title
 I would totally pull a Princess Knight guy LOL
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BeanBandit
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Personally I would like to see more Omnibus style manga releases. One of the reasons I don't read a lot of manga is when I see 20+ volumes of something it's awfully intimidating. It's not even a question of money either as for me its also a space thing too as I don't want to have a ton of books floating around either. Not to mention physiologically it's a lot easier to pick up something like "Berserk" and buy that in 2-3 big books then 34 books (and counting).
That's just me though, another big reason is a lot of manga I'm interested in has an anime version of it I've already seen. |
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