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NEWS: Swedish Translator's Child Pornography Charges Upheld


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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:12 pm Reply with quote
SayaSe wrote:
No he didn't. He didn't use a condom, which can get you convicted for rape under evidently retarded Swedish law. I bet that law and the virtual child pornography one were written by the same overzealous radical feminists who completely have lost any connection to reality.


Yeah, that's probably it. Feminists. With their silly, overzealous, 'if a woman doesn't consent to sex without a condom then not using one is not consensual' laws. That's just [expletive] stupid. Definitely those nasty feminists at work again.

SayaSe wrote:
They had consensual sex. She changed her mind about it afterwards (initially she even boasted about having been laid) and is using the lack of condom as something to base her allegations on. She and her buddy are intentionally exploiting the extreme Swedish laws which are meant to protect the weak, not to serve as a tool to get revenge on a one night stand. Assange and the translator are sitting in the same boat.


You're waffling faster than a Belgian breakfast joint. First it's that the law is retarded. Then when it is pointed out that such a claim is ridiculous, suddenly the law is okay and it's just that the victims are lying.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:16 pm Reply with quote
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If your gonna ban something on the belief that watching something is gonna make people wanna reenact what they saw, you'd have to ban violent movies and videogames as well, since lots of people over the years have committed crimes because they saw it in a game or movie.

But that is a false belief, violent movies and videogames have been part of Japan's daily life for decades and yet it still is one of the most peaceful societies on earth. Watching any kind of porn does not make someone a sex offender any more than watching Tom and Jerry makes you into a serial killer.

These trend is troublesome since it is only part of a bigger trend to remove civil liberties from people. 1984 here we come .-_-
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That's exactly what I'm saying.


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SayaSe



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:32 pm Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Yeah, that's probably it. Feminists. With their silly, overzealous, 'if a woman doesn't consent to sex without a condom then not using one is not consensual' laws. That's just [expletive] stupid. Definitely those nasty feminists at work again.

I live in Sweden, I have pretty good insight in the everyday idiocracy. Radical feminism and political correctness are part of the same problem which give us worse laws for every session of parliament. We had an entire freaking radical feminist party which had slogans such as "men are animals" and got big in 2006. I said "radical", they don't want equality (which is a perfectly legit goal) but to give women extra benefits as some sort of compensation for the centuries of patriarchy. Furthermore I never said that the law in its current form is "okay", I only pointed out its original cause.

And what the hell, read my posts properly. She did consent to having sex without condom but withdrew that consent retroactively. That'd get her laughed out of every court in the world except Sweden.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:06 pm Reply with quote
Ah, the swedish justice system strikes once more. One would think they had better things to do then spend the taxpayers money on pointless crap like this. Perhaps, oh I don´t know, maybe go after people that has real child porn on their pc? Maybe they could do something to reduce the unprovoced violence that has risen so much these past years? Or for that matter do at least something about one of all those ignored issues?

The swedish legal system is a joke, a bad joke. As an example in contrast to this, and well this is some years since.
Two guys beat a guy to death, all the evidence was there, all pointet to them. However since both blamed the other for delivering the final blow they both walked, since the court couldn´t say who gave the killing strike.

And 51pics that may or may not be hentai on his pc... wow, just wow, that sure is a lot. Never ever heard of anyone having such a huge amount of obscure pictures on their pc.

Of with the anger, or rather frustrasion.
While most people don´t care about mange/anime they still care about childporn, which is a good thing. What´s sad is that if someone labels manga/anime as childporn, there will be all to many that will believe the words of these people instead of checking the facts for themselves.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:27 am Reply with quote
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She did consent to having sex without condom but withdrew that consent retroactively. That'd get her laughed out of every court in the world except Sweden.


Well call me a crazy radical but I don't think that just because someone gives consent they've lost all right to resend it. If they change their mind, you've got to stop. He apparently didn't. That's rape. Sorry to spoil your fun.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:10 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:

Well call me a crazy radical but I don't think that just because someone gives consent they've lost all right to resend it. If they change their mind, you've got to stop. He apparently didn't. That's rape. Sorry to spoil your fun.

And how far does this right to resend reach? Weeks, years? Rape accusations are common method for revenge used by females.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:11 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
If they change their mind, you've got to stop. He apparently didn't. That's rape.

She changed her mind after several DAYS. Are you still going defend her?

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:09 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
Well call me a crazy radical but I don't think that just because someone gives consent they've lost all right to resend it. If they change their mind, you've got to stop. He apparently didn't. That's rape. Sorry to spoil your fun.


Dude, she changed her mind AFTER sex. DAYS after sex. So if you have sex with a girl, consensual sex, mind you, and then, 2 weeks later, she decides she didn't want to have sex with you, you're a rapist? Think before you speak.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:18 am Reply with quote
SayaSe wrote:
ikillchicken wrote:
If they change their mind, you've got to stop. He apparently didn't. That's rape.

She changed her mind after several DAYS. Are you still going defend her?

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/


Even I have to agree that it does appear that those 2 women are trying to destroy the guy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:27 am Reply with quote
naninanino wrote:
ikillchicken wrote:

Well call me a crazy radical but I don't think that just because someone gives consent they've lost all right to resend it. If they change their mind, you've got to stop. He apparently didn't. That's rape. Sorry to spoil your fun.

And how far does this right to resend reach? Weeks, years? Rape accusations are common method for revenge used by females.
I don't know what laws covering rape there are in the States, but here in the UK a man can be charged with raping his wife if she wants to press charges. If a woman says she doesn't want to participate in sexual intercourse a man has to respect that, married, or no. If he doesn't, the law is clear.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:47 am Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
naninanino wrote:
ikillchicken wrote:

Well call me a crazy radical but I don't think that just because someone gives consent they've lost all right to resend it. If they change their mind, you've got to stop. He apparently didn't. That's rape. Sorry to spoil your fun.

And how far does this right to resend reach? Weeks, years? Rape accusations are common method for revenge used by females.
I don't know what laws covering rape there are in the States, but here in the UK a man can be charged with raping his wife if she wants to press charges. If a woman says she doesn't want to participate in sexual intercourse a man has to respect that, married, or no. If he doesn't, the law is clear.


I don't understand this reply. I don't understand many of the replies. I'm assuming some people are just really misunderstanding the others? Isn't it usually a good idea to check data or ask a question beforehand? I thought it was clear by now that the WikiLeaks guy didn't actually rape the women.

I also thought naninanino and others were saying it is ridiculous for a woman who consented to sex and had finished sex (consented all the way through), to say then afterwards (after sex, that is)"oh btw, I actually hate your guts, I'm going to say you raped me to get revenge or extort money from you."

Honestly, it's one of the most despicable things to do, and what I find even worse are the people who seemingly ignore the fact that this happens ALL THE TIME. Because it's apparently always the guy's fault. We don't live in this imaginary world where people are perfectly honest beings. In fact, I thought it was obvious by now that humans will go to any length to get revenge or to get what they want.



Now, as for the supposed child pornographer... Man do I feel terrible for that guy. It's already ridiculous to waste tax payers money on virtual animated children. But the fact is, he is a Manga translator who just wanted to advance his career. He is effectively going to be DESTROYED by this. His future aspirations are now moot. Everyone is going to look at him as an abomination, probably including some of his closest friends and family. And all because people can't just admit when they are wrong. Between this and the ridiculous discrimination in Sweden, I have lost a ton of respect for the country.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:17 am Reply with quote
~~EpiC~~ wrote:


I don't understand this reply. I don't understand many of the replies. I'm assuming some people are just really misunderstanding the others? Isn't it usually a good idea to check data or ask a question beforehand? I thought it was clear by now that the WikiLeaks guy didn't actually rape the women.

I also thought naninanino and others were saying it is ridiculous for a woman who consented to sex and had finished sex (consented all the way through), to say then afterwards (after sex, that is)"oh btw, I actually hate your guts, I'm going to say you raped me to get revenge or extort money from you."

Honestly, it's one of the most despicable things to do, and what I find even worse are the people who seemingly ignore the fact that this happens ALL THE TIME. Because it's apparently always the guy's fault. We don't live in this imaginary world where people are perfectly honest beings. In fact, I thought it was obvious by now that humans will go to any length to get revenge or to get what they want.
That's where the jury system comes into play. This very same scenario has happened in the past with UK laws and when the accusing woman has been found to be lying she is then prosecuted for false reporting of a crime, and wasting taxpayers money, ridiculed in the press, and made to either serve time, pay a fine, or both. If that is the same in Switzerland those two women are playing a dangerous game.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:26 am Reply with quote
hikaru004 wrote:
SayaSe wrote:
ikillchicken wrote:
If they change their mind, you've got to stop. He apparently didn't. That's rape.

She changed her mind after several DAYS. Are you still going defend her?

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/


Even I have to agree that it does appear that those 2 women are trying to destroy the guy.


Wow. Go for 2D and risk accusations of child porn. Go for 3D and risk accusations of rape. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:27 am Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
~~EpiC~~ wrote:


I don't understand this reply. I don't understand many of the replies. I'm assuming some people are just really misunderstanding the others? Isn't it usually a good idea to check data or ask a question beforehand? I thought it was clear by now that the WikiLeaks guy didn't actually rape the women.

I also thought naninanino and others were saying it is ridiculous for a woman who consented to sex and had finished sex (consented all the way through), to say then afterwards (after sex, that is)"oh btw, I actually hate your guts, I'm going to say you raped me to get revenge or extort money from you."

Honestly, it's one of the most despicable things to do, and what I find even worse are the people who seemingly ignore the fact that this happens ALL THE TIME. Because it's apparently always the guy's fault. We don't live in this imaginary world where people are perfectly honest beings. In fact, I thought it was obvious by now that humans will go to any length to get revenge or to get what they want.
That's where the jury system comes into play. This very same scenario has happened in the past with UK laws and when the accusing woman has been found to be lying she is then prosecuted for false reporting of a crime, and wasting taxpayers money, ridiculed in the press, and made to either serve time, pay a fine, or both. If that is the same in Switzerland those two women are playing a dangerous game.


But the Swedish laws had a way to "legally" do this.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:36 am Reply with quote
On the Assange topic that seems to have come up here:

There was only a question of consent after the women discovered one another. One of them even posted online that it was basically for revenge, although that was taken down (I can't recall where I saw screenshot).
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