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Shelf Life - Clash of the Tytans

Except I don't know which ones are stand alones, and with the few I've tried to start at the beginning, I've been completely confused because I don't know anything about the timelines and world history.

And yes, I did try watching the first series up on Crunchyroll, but for at least the first episode (which was all I could bring myself to watch) every last second of it was baaad. So... yeah, I still have no idea where my "entrance point" is into the Gundam world.

vashfanatic wrote:

Krotchstak wrote: Except I don't know which ones are stand alones, and with the few I've tried to start at the beginning, I've been completely confused because I don't know anything about the timelines and world history. And yes, I did try watching the first series up on Crunchyroll, but for at least the first episode (which was all I could bring myself to watch) every last second of it was baaad. So... yeah, I still have no idea where my "entrance point" is into the Gundam world. G Gundam, Gundam Wing, and Gundam Seed are all available in America and don't need you to have watched a previous Gundam series to understand them.

I hate to break it to you but war has been going on for thousands of years, hell if our closest relative the Chimpanzee is anything to go on war has been going on for millions of years. Do you honestly think that war is some recent development?

What Celestial Being wants isn't a utopia it's a dictatorship where the strong few (Celestial Being) decides how the world should be run. What about gun control? Is America forced to adopt other countries Gun Control or do we keep our own and their forced to adopt America's gun control? Are muslim nations not allowed to have laws based on their religious beliefs? Is cultural differences respected or are the people oppressed for having different beliefs?

People fight because they disagree, that's not a bad thing, people are naturally going to be different. What Celestial Being wants is a uniform universe where everyone is the same. They are an oppressive terrorist organization, so it's natural that they would cause an oppressive world.

There are loads of subplots about the five ruling families of Tytania and the dynastic struggle for succession, but frankly, I was too busy wondering what kind of shampoo these guys use for their ridiculously long hair to care much about the battle strategy meetings (and there are a lot of meetings). Eventually I started to wonder if this is how guys feel when they watch harem comedies starring chicks with big boobs. Do you find it difficult to focus on the dialog when the characters are just too cute? Because I did. I was surprised to find that my husband thoroughly enjoyed this romance novel cover of a sci-fi series. He got into the plot and was never distracted by the ornate military uniforms or hunky men drinking wine.

Ugh. Tytania. Probably the most disappointing anime I've ever seen.

I wasn't expecting a repeat of Legend of the Galactic Heroes exactly, but they could have at least fleshed out both sides of the conflict the way LoGH did, developing all the characters. Fan Hyulick is a poor man's Yang Wenli who falls for a girl he met for two minutes and moping over being apart from her while doing absolutely nothing at all for several episodes. The Tytania family, while infinitely more interesting, could have been more developed, too. The little girl character that lives with the red haired Tytania guy is an entirely worthless, pointless character.

They certainly had other plans, dealing with the subtle differences with every country (be it religion, territory disputes, form of government, etc)... right?

What Celestial Being wants isn't a utopia it's a dictatorship where the strong few (Celestial Being) decides how the world should be run.

Ugggh. I find myself agreeing, unfortunately. Tytania kinda feels like a half-done story that needed another rewrite or two.

My favorite character by far was Jouslain Tytania (the red-haired guy). Interesting, intelligent, not without charisma....he was everything I wish Fan had been. It's unfortunate the show wasn't about him!

Krotchstak wrote:

vashfanatic wrote: I read yet another multipage debate on the merits of a Gundam series and once more remember why I've never been able to get into this franchise. Nobody can agree on what's worth watching or not! Then decide for yourself. Watch some of the more standalone stuff, and branch out gradually from there.

Except I don't know which ones are stand alones, and with the few I've tried to start at the beginning, I've been completely confused because I don't know anything about the timelines and world history.

And yes, I did try watching the first series up on Crunchyroll, but for at least the first episode (which was all I could bring myself to watch) every last second of it was baaad. So... yeah, I still have no idea where my "entrance point" is into the Gundam world.

I find 8th MS team to be a great entry point into the UC timeline, that and its one of the best things to come out of Gundam. also it has very bitchan Toonami promos for it. For the most part I'd stay away from anything UC related as its very much a thing you have to watch in order.

Turn A Gundam is a great introduction as well.(this one is standalone, that is, its not part of a multi-series universe)

What's the UC timeline?

Is there a.... tree diagram somewhere where I can see how this all goes together?

I actually did dl a bit of Turn A Gundam when its license was announced as a preview, though I've yet to watch past the first episode, which had no mecha in it at all and lots of great Yoko Kanno music. But yeah, I've been told it's atypical for a Gundam series...? And look at this: even as you all try to give me an "entrance spot," I get disagreeing responses.

G Gundam, Gundam Wing, and Gundam Seed are all available in America and don't need you to have watched a previous Gundam series to understand them.

That Toonami promo reminded me of another reason I've had trouble mustering up interest in Gundam: I only occasionally find giant robots fighting each other "bitchin'." Please tell me there's more to this show than "unrealistic vehicles shoot at each other"?

...and as I post this, another opinions comes in. *sigh* Maybe I should just stick with Macross?

EDIT: also i should point out that 8th MS Team is about as realistic as Gundam gets with mobile suits.

Charred Knight wrote:

What Celestial Being wants isn't a utopia it's a dictatorship where the strong few (Celestial Being) decides how the world should be run.

That's demonstrably false, I'm sorry. You're describing what the Gundam Meisters went out of their way to fight against for all of the second season. The claim about a "uniform universe" with no individuality is also an absurd concept advocated by no one in the series.

Charred Knight wrote:

What Celestial Being wants isn't a utopia it's a dictatorship where the strong few (Celestial Being) decides how the world should be run.

That's demonstrably false, I'm sorry. You're describing what the Gundam Meisters went out of their way to fight against for all of the second season. The claim about a "uniform universe" with no individuality is also an absurd concept advocated by no one in the series.