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Necros Antiquor
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Well, ignoring the varying story quality of different Final Fantasy incarnations (game or movie), Square certainly has the technology to do 3D animation great justice. However, that's not really good if it takes this long to make a movie. FF: Spirits Within took a while, and how long have people waited for FFVII: Advent Children? Nearing 3 years or more, I believe. Meanwhile, Dreamworks is pumping out three CG movies a year (not all good, I must mention) and Pixar is putting out a movie every 1-2 years. What I think is sad is that the American animation industry believes that only 3D animation will sell these days and that 2D animation is too old-fashioned because no one watches it these days. Want to know why no one watched your 2D movies, MPAA? Because the movies were crap. Sure, it was the same 2D stuff done even better, but Brother Bear, Sinbad, Treasure Planet (which was 2D done with tons of CG), and your other recent 2D movies were just crap movies, not people ditching 2D for 3D. Meanwhile, some actually good movies like Shrek and anything Pixar did were made in 3D, and you think that only 3D sells. Sure, they're good movies, but there's something to be said for going to the movies to see some animation that took some hand-made efforts to create instead of something that looks like extremely well-done video game cutscenes. (On a similar note, bring back some hand-drawn sprites for video games!)
Clone Wars rocked on its own, and it's a testament to American animators that cartoons don't need to rip off the anime style in order to be good. Genndy Tartakovsky used his unique visual style; even though there were a couple of small nods to anime styles, it remained a separate style that didn't look secondhand. Also, I thought the animation for General Grievous was really cool, especially through the use of extreme movements that a more realistic anime (or the live-action Episode III) could never capture. |
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Dejitaru Otoko
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Yes, the visual effects in Revenge of the Sith were very good. And yes, there would be no WETA Digital without ILM; I’m not arguing against that. And yes, not all the effects in the Lord of the Rings trilogy were perfect. BUT... ...the Star Wars movies visual effects (especially Sith) mainly revolve around metallic objects: spaceships, droids, etc, which are much easier to replicate digitally, because of the relatively stationary nature of those things. Lord of the Rings was dealing almost entirely with organic things: horses, creatures, etc etc, which are much harder to do convincingly in CGI. I could easily pick out a lot of the “digital doubles” (CGI people) in Revenge of the Sith, especially some of the shots of Obi Wan on his lizard thing, while I STILL can’t believe that Aragorn and the hobbits running over the Balrog’s bridge were CGI. The hobbits capes swung absolutely perfectly, something General Grievous’s cape did not do. And why, oh why, can I tell when they are using a CGI R2D2?? That should be easy!! But R2 just has a very odd, soft look about him when he’s CGI. Oh, and of course Gollum. Sorry, but Gollum should end ANY argument of this nature. Even though you can (occasionally) tell he’s CGI, Gollum can ACT. Gollum can REALLY act. Yoda did act, but mostly when he was a puppet. And that isn’t even getting into the prosthetic and model work. (How “high school play” quality do those asian alien things look next to the Uruk-Hai’s and Ghimli?) I know it sounds like I hate Star Wars by now. Let me remind you, I don’t. I liked Revenge of the Sith, and it had VERY GOOD special effects, but the Lord of the Rings had BETTER special effects. Yes, I have to give ILM credit, a lot of credit. But no, they are not leading the way anymore. Jeez, I thought for sure this thread was dead. Last edited by Dejitaru Otoko on Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Dejitaru Otoko
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Abarenbo Shogun:
Ah, I didn't know that, but I figured he was referring to something more current. Its just whenever I hear about Square not doing well, I think of the Spirits Within. *sniff* Necros Antiquor:
Yes, yes, yes!! Oh beautiful Guilty Gear, I love you!!! |
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Pop-Art Samurai
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But in that same section of Fellowship we get a shot in which Gandalf is nearly goosestepping, while his beard most unnaturally flies back over his shoulder in a clump. The truth is that the effects in LotR and Star Wars are most of them too different in nature to compare, and flaws can be found in both. By the way, last time I checked there were a whole bunch a people eagerly waiting for Advent Children. The long wait may have frustrated folks, but I don't think it's dampened their enthusiasm. |
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GATSU
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Tivome:
Um, he co-produced Kurosawa's Kagemusha. |
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Dejitaru Otoko
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The all purpose tiebreaker. But it works for me! This argument was not going to go anywhere.
It didn’t dampen mine! That movie still looks awesome, and waiting a while for it isn’t a big deal for me, because I still need time to...*swallows pride*...finish the game. Yes! Its true, I haven’t finished FF7!. Uuugh! I'm such a terrible videogame player! (Actually its partially because I reached the final boss using the hideously unstable PC version first, and the game wouldn’t stop crashing long enough for me to beat it. But I have no excuse for the PSone version.) |
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Proman
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Screw this! I would hate to see traditional anme being converted into 3D CGI fest. Lucas doesn't understand that 3D is not better than 2D (he also doesn't understand that shooting on film is still better than shooting on video but that's another point) it's just different. And not you're not in minority. There's a reason why studio Ghili still continues to make 2D anime and is more succesful than anyone else. By the way, I'm not against 3D animation at all (and look forward to seeing Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children) it's just that I prefer my old school 2D anime. |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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.....aside from Bai Ling posing nude for Playboy.
Lucas pretty much is a License Whore who would put out anything with the Star Wars name on it if he know it will sell. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if he took a few cues from Mel Brooks from his spoof "Spaceballs" and produced Star Wars Toilet Paper!! So would Lucas make Star Wars Anime if he thinks it would sell? Of Course!! Is he doing it or considering it? Not right now is my guess. Oh well, back to downloading Jar-Jar Porn. |
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Pop-Art Samurai
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Yeah, which someone just told was the reason she was cut from Revenge of the Sith. Which was probably what you were getting at...Anyway, I seem to recall that one of the backup "vocalists" in Jabba's place, RotJ, was Asian. As well, I think there are some minor charcters in the prequels who are Asian. Asian Twilek chicks. Finally, I agree that if Lucas thought a Star Wars anime would sell, he'd make it. If nothing else, that man has a pretty keen business sense. |
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Starwind Amada
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I agree. These moronic directors need to come up with their own scheme and stop trying to capitalize on REAL anime. They're just making it look like cartoony crap about superheroes with big eyes. Take Teen Titans for example. That show should be on Nickelodeon, not Toonami, for its kiddiness. These directors think anime is all about big eyes and quirky mannerisms. Heh, no wonder their little scheme isn't working; we all know the difference. |
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GATSU
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Lucas defended axing Bai Ling by saying he also cut footage of his daughters in the film. I just hope it ends up on the dvd.
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Steventheeunuch
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I fail to see how someone who makes an internationally successful, billion dollar franchise is moronic for wanting to do his own thing.
As opposed to all of the other popular anime out there about giant robots with big eyes? Vigilanties with Big Eyes? next point-
But toonami is a kiddies block, with programming for kids. Teen Titans, while not the most innovative of shows, isn't exactly the worst thing in the world.
To the Japanese, that is also what anime is. Any anime that seriously tries to break that mold (except in a few cases) isn't very comercially viable, and doesn't exactly make a good thing anyway (how successful is paranoia agent? koi kaze? millenium actress? Tokyo godfathers?). |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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Proman
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I knew about this and and as much as I liked Revenge of the Sith I simply cannot think of a dumber reason to cut someone from a movie. |
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Pierce
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There seems to be a bit of confusion as to which country produces the highest quality animation.
-As a suggestion, I think we should take a moment and organize a global list that shorts the quality of each country's 2-D animation ability, that begins with the most proficient country at the top, and the least talented, lowest quality animation producing country, at the bottom. Studios corresponding to their respective countries could also be included if you would like. Here's my sample list: 1. America (Disney Feature Animation/Fox Animation Studios) 2. Ireland-England/ France (Sullivan Bluth Studios/Marathon Animation ) 3. Japan 4. South Korea (Dong Woo/ Young Woo/ Sun Woo) 5.Taiwan (Wang Film Productions) 6. Philippines (Pacific Animation) 7. India (Toonz Studio) 8.China |
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