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Maidenoftheredhand
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I am looking at MAL now reviews from the audience are not high at all.
I realize reviews don't reflect the entire audience of the series but almost every other review is panning the show. You can say that it is just people panning a popular show but Madoka was popular too and you don't see nearly the same amount of hate. So no it is not just a few disgruntled people hating on a popular show. Do people even think why SAO gets so much hate? So yes it is true just because I dislike something doesn't make it bad but it is equally true just because something is popular doesn't make it good. |
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Angel M Cazares
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I guess not. Like dan9999 said, once people become blinded by love, they will view any valid criticism as simply hating. I am not the biggest fan of Sword Art Online, but I like it enough to consider buying it when it is released domestically. I was blown away by the first episode of SAO and thought it could be a great series. But is uneven plot, stupid writing and bad characterization downgraded my opinion of it. It was an entertaining watch but not enough to erase and excuse all the things it did poorly. I gave SAO a Decent rating. Those who think that objectively SAO was a great series are fooling themselves. Although its strong conclusion gives me hope that a potential season 2 of Sword Art Online could be better than the first anime series. |
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dan9999
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Indeed. Popularity =/= Quality and vice versa. You cannot ask for much thou, most people dont know the difference, or know it but conveniently ignore (or use it) it to defend something.
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walw6pK4Alo
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There is no objective quality. That means you can't even have an argument because it's an undeniable fact. Some people believe SAO to be a great and entertaining show, that is a fact. It may have writing problems, although in some opinions it may be solid. All reviews, analysis, and breakdowns of anything related to entertainment comes down to opinion, and thus subjectivity. Objectivity would be :"2001 was shot on 70mm film." Subjectivity: "2001 is one of the best science fiction films of all time." Even if it's widely agreed on, that doesn't make it objective. |
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Chagen46
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No, SAO is factually bad because its plotting and characterization are lacking. It's possible to analyze a story's component parts. It's called literary analysis. Whether or not a story is entertaining is subjective--whether or not its plotting/characterization are well-done is objective. |
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dtm42
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walw6pK4Alo, objective quality exists, and denying it doesn't make it not exist. Bad writing and pacing and direction and plot holes can be objectively quantified at least for the most part. If you've ever watched MST3000 you would know that no two movies or pieces of work are identical in quality, and that many are just stinkers, plain and simple.
To deny objectivity is to live in a socialist fantasy land where no-one is allowed to critically analyse anything because of the belief that every opinion is equal and every work is equal. That's clearly false. A long-time experienced fan will generally be better at picking out plot and character issues than a teenager who is only into Bleach and Naruto. And every work is obviously not equal and above criticism, or else every reviewer would be forced to give every show and movie the same grade of A+. Absurd. I find your claim that we can't even have an argument about anything because of the supposed lack of objectivity to be baffling. People have arguments all the time, so you've lost me there. Sword Art Online does indeed have its fans, but it also has its critics. Popularity has no bearing on whether it is a good show or not; every show has its fans and critics. And anyone who thinks Sword Art Online is solid and above reproach is seriously putting their head in the sand. That may be their opinion, but their opinion is wrong, because there are plenty of demonstrable plot holes and instances of sheer bad or substandard writing. And before you say that opinions can never be wrong, do try and remember the millions throughout history who were of the opinion that the Earth was flat. |
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enurtsol
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Too bad for Wolf Children. What's that Groucho Marx quote again, refuse to join any club that would have SAO as a member?
That can be said for pretty much any TV industry. Yet ya don't see people stop complaining about the "boob tube" any time soon, do ya? |
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jl07045
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Hume's Law people, read it! There's a logical gap between being able to analyze (and even quantify) components of a work of art and any claim for objectivity in the actual meaning of the word.
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Ryu Shoji
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Sword Art Online is an adaptation though...so "Original Work"? :S
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Keonyn
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Yeah, we're not doing this. Quality is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone views things differently and to some one thing might mean low quality, while to another it might even be seen as high quality or has no bearing whatsoever. We're not going to do this "my opinion is right because mine is fact" crap since the very concept is flawed at its core as art is very subjective, and all it does is spiral these discussions in to an endless conflict where people become to rigid to even respect the right of others to have their own opinions (and like it or not that's all any of this is, opinions, and that is a fact).
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dtm42
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^
Never said that people couldn't have their own opinions. In fact, I said the exact opposite of that. |
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Blood-
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Why do your analogies always suck? I remember you claiming your father has a 150 I.Q. I really wish some of that had been passed down to you. Whether the Earth is flat or round is not the subject of opinion. It is the subject of scientifically verifiable fact. Only a complete dolt could fail to understand the difference between empirical matters like the shape of the Earth and wholly subjective matters of opinion like what constitutes "good" writing. |
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Mohawk52
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International Feature Film:
The Adventures Of TinTin. Wha!?!?  Someones' taking the piss surely? I mean it was released in 2011 and slagged for the steaming pile of animal excrement that it was.
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walw6pK4Alo
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It would have had a 2012 release in Japan, qualifying it, much like what happens for the American awards. I didn't think the film was amazing, but I couldn't see it as a pile either. Certainly leagues better and smarter than your Ice Ages and Madagascars forced upon children and families every single year. Same with Brave, even if it's not great, I'd prefer more films like that. |
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Mohawk52
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