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macloud
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kenshinflyer
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Whatever it is, this Starblazers 2199 must come to the Philippines. The original was one of the very first anime aired in the country.
Like the original, there will be changes: the ship is called the Argo, Kodai Susumu could be renamed as Derek Wildstar, Gamilas could be renamed "Gamilon," and Dessler may get that "Desslok" name back. |
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ValkyrieZeroZeroOne
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There won't be. There can't be without significant reanimation work done. This isn't like the original TV series where Japanese names can have their English equivalents superimposed over them. There are frequent and explicit depictions of both the Yamato's name and of character names on screen throughout the show. On name badges, on duty patches, on coffee mugs and video screens. It would be ridiculously expensive to redo so much visual content and then edit it into the episodes. |
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ZeetherKID77
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Are you trolling or something? |
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Wrangler
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I'm glad Yamato 2199 is coming to America, but i don't have high hopes on sales. Only because of the state of the anime market.
Let me be frank here. I grew up watching and loved Star Blazers. However, as i watched, it got butchered even more as time went on due to parent groups push more censorship violence and tv stations wanting more commerical time. Enter Yamato Movies & now Yamato 2199. I've been following the new series, its simply put superior to the original. That said, i grown not like dubbing since it downgrades the dialog to point its dumbed down from the original content (depending on who doing script for the dubbing.) I hope "Star Blazers 2199", has minmum plot changes as well dialog changes. I simply don't trust the english dubbers anymore, specially Funimation. this was storied product like Robotech, it was butchered as time went on. I don't want same thing happen to Yamato 2199, but i understand need to use "Star Blazers" name for marketing. Doesn't mean i like it... |
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ValkyrieZeroZeroOne
Posts: 436 Location: Brisbane, Australia |
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In the end, I think "Star Blazers 2199" should be a marketing tool and nothing else, just toget the initial word out there. It should be released as Space Battleship Yamato 2199, and then market it as "Star Blazers, reimagined and returned to its Japanese roots" or something along those lines, and then have the releases include a comprehensive comparative table between the Japanese and English names. That covers the nostalgic fanbase who enjoyed the series in their youth but didn't go past that, as well as providing a history of the original series' connection to newcomers to the franchise. A large portion of the existing Star Blazers fandom would already know of the show's origins, and many of them would own the Yamato movies, which were never dubbed or changed, and some of those (myself included) are importing the Japanese Blu-Rays as they're released. On top of that, I see much more of the true market for this series outside Japan being current anime fans, who would be much less tolerant of any adulteration of the show. I'm confident that in time, Voyager Entertainment will see reason and realise that converting SBY2199 into SB2199 will be an exercise in futility. Unless they're prepared to spend considerable amounts of money to redraw a considerable number of cels and the associated editing costs, which are unlikely to recoup the costs of doing so through international licensing and sales, then Star Blazers 2199 can only be used as an early-stage marketing tool. There are other ways to bring a larger portion of the original fanbase back into this show. |
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guildmaster
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Are you referring to the new release in your above post? I never saw the Japanese language Space Battleship Yamato, only the English language Star Blazers. And I thought that in both of those, only the ship and character names were changed, not the opening of the series. If they changed the name of the series to SB, I'm sure the ship will be named Argo, but don't quote me on it. It should have been named Enterprise! 
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Mohawk52
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I hope they correct the scene where the ship's doctor gets drunk on "water".
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Wrangler
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Voyager Entertainment got the rights to it? Who owns them? I thought the new series was still up for grabs. Voyager Entertainment handled the rights to the series well. kept the flame alive.
If Voyager Entertainment is incharge there maybe chance the series will come over intact...maybe. |
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ValkyrieZeroZeroOne
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In order for them to do that, they'll have to reanimate a substantial portion of the series, because "Yamato" is emblazoned all over the place in English. The duty patch on the shoulder of every crew member has this, it's on video screens and ship crests all over the ship. I just don't see them doing that because (a) it would be ridiculously expensive in terms of redoing cels and then edting them into the product and thus (b) the international market isn't going to make that sort of money back.
Voyager Entertainment is the Japanese company that owns the Space Battleship Yamato franchise. It is the one that made the decision to market it as Star Blazers 2199 outside of Japan. The Voyager Entertainment you know was the American office of the company. It was closed down last year. |
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guildmaster
Posts: 364 Location: Hot & Humid FL |
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Not quite. It was at the Battle off Samar in Oct 1944 (part of the overall Leyte Gulf battle), where it along with 3 other battleships and 8 cruisers managed to help sink two destroyers, and one escort carrier, while losing three cruisers before being forced to turn away for several miles to avoid a torpedo attack. Kurita then retired thinking he was up against TF 38. Not so great a showing for the heaviest armed battleship in the world, considering that a day earlier 5 Pearl Harbor veterans under Adm Olendorf helped sink the BBs Yamashiro and Fuso, the Mogami, and three destroyers without loss... That same day also saw the Musashi go down never having engaged a surface combatant. Earlier, on 25 Dec 1943, the Yamato was torpedoed by USS Skate causing extensive damage to the armor belt. The damage was never fully repaired, but never mattered in the end. And folks question why the name Yamato was not featured on the original. I don't think it will be on this new remake either. As i said, the ship should have been named Enterprise. |
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ValkyrieZeroZeroOne
Posts: 436 Location: Brisbane, Australia |
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Simple. Space Battleship Yamato would never have been accepted by TV Executives of the day, as much for the name as for the content. Remember, they were trying to get this show syndicated on television. That was where they made money on anime (or any TV show) in those days, as there was no home video market like there is today - VCRs in every home were still years away, and there was no substantial home video market for anime prior to the DVD era. Hence why Star Blazers was born. In that day and age, there were still a lot of raw nerves amongst American WW2 veterans, who would have been the grandfathers of kids watching Star Blazers, that would have taken great offence at glorifying a Japanese warship over an American one. So they decided to make it a neutral name, named after the ship from the Greek myth of Jason and the Argonauts. Funnily enough though, spoiler[the "wrecked" ship (keeping in mind in the original it actually was the plot that the IJN Yamato was rebuilt into a spaceship) was referred to as Yamato by Wildstar and Venture in the early episodes, and it was explicitly stated by Captain Avatar that it would be renamed the Argo. ]
How many times do I have to repeat myself on this? Unless they're going to spend a fortune reanimating major parts of the series, the ship will be called Yamato, and the character names will be the original Japanese names. This isn't the old Star Blazers where there are no visual instances of the ship's name, or where character names in Japanese can be superimposed over by black strips with English text on them. There are so many explicit, Romanised (i.e. for all intents and purposes, ENGLISH) depictions of the name throughout the animation that it will be impossible to change the ship's name without major rework, which I seriously doubt Voyager are going to make back if they do it. So are they going to call the ship anything other than Yamato and then have the Yamato name in English a minimum of two or three scenes per episode? Short of it is, until any concrete announcements are made by Voyager Entertainment or a US or other international licensee as to what the actual content will be, the safest thing to assume is that the Japanese names will be kept this time. If they're just going to dub it with English names and totally disregard all these visual references on every crew member's uniform, on badged all over the ship, on computer screens and the like), then any international licence is doomed to fail miserably.
Why should it be called Enterprise? Aside from your personal preference, do you have any logical reason whatsoever as to why Voyager Entertainment, who are using Star Blazers as a marketing name, would call the ship anything other than Yamato or Argo? Aside from everything else, calling it Enterprise has no basis in common sense. There was never a battleship named Enterprise - both ships in the US Navy to date to bear that name were aircraft carriers (the third ship of the Gerald Ford-class carrier, CVN-80, will also bear this name). Yamato, despite the fact that it has a small air group, is a Battleship. This is Space Battleship Yamato 2199. They'd sooner call it the Arizona than call it the Enterprise. |
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guildmaster
Posts: 364 Location: Hot & Humid FL |
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Valkyrie,
First, there have been eight ships named Enterprise in the US Navy, not 2. CV-6 was the 7th and CVN 65 was the 8th. I just threw it out there half as a joke, but the Enterprise was the most famous ship of WW2 and pretty much in recorded history. I think Enterprise might have been a possible name but for the Star Trek franchise probably threatening some backdoor copyright / trademark retaliation if the original SB tried to use it, but that's 100% conjecture. Besides, not many here understand the reasons behind the decision for the original name change. you, me and a few others are all that seen to know the backstory. The book Mechademia 2 contains an interesting chapter titled "When Pacifist Japan Fights" . Very interesting reading. Google books used to have a decent extract online, but it's gone... I recmmend it for anyone who wants a deeper understanding of the history behind all this. If the Space Battleship Yamato / Argo can stow and operate a full fighter group in the hull (which was only 38' longer than the Enterprise's), then a space ship Enterprise can mount some heavy large calibre plasma weapons. Plus, Lex and Sara both had 8" guns when first fitted out. It's a sci-fi anime after all. I don't really care what they call the ship. My friend, who's father was a Bataan death march survivor, might have a different opinion. As to the expense of re-doing lots of names, I think you are overestimating the cost to change things in this digital age. It's much less expensive than many think. I do wonder though, if the developers of Y2199 deliberately put in all those specific graphics to make it more difficult to re- do them, but whether or not they did, the creators will have the rights to decide what and how any licensed edits can be made. I'm actually considering tracking down and getting at least the 5 or 6 movies that were made on this - as long as they have English audio. I don't have time to hunt it down at present though. And I might try to find the original Japanese audio series (don't even know how many there were (or if it exists on disc), again no time for it until I get back home. That would be the only Japanese language title I'd readily purchase. And right now, other than the discs being produced for Japan, it's all a large pile of vaporware. I think we're in complete agreement here. Oh, and the planes are named Cosmo Zeros... 
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samuelp
Industry Insider
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I'll just say that everyone in Japan are fully aware that
1. There's a small niche core of fans who maybe started with Star Blazers but later discovered the original and would be uninterested in any heavy localization like name changes. 2. There's an unknown but likely largish number of people who watched Star Blazers but never really knew its origins and who might be interested in checking out a remake, but wouldn't be able to recognize just the name "Yamato". It really depends on who licenses it in the West and what market they want to attempt to reach. I do understand how it would be smart to at least keep the Star Blazers name in promotional materials because it's the name which nostalgia is attached to. But I'm not sure whether name changes or a heavily localized dub would be necessary even for that second group in this age. Frankly since "Star Blazers" is such a nice generic name, they could keep that for the English title but not change anything in the series itself without conflicting with anything if they went and dubbed it. |
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Mohawk52
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