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AbZeroNow
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 Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:44 pm
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So, I've been reiterating that a "show about nothing" can save itself through characters and themes. And nobody seems to pay attention when I cite Louie as a positive example of this. K-On is a prime example of bundled quirks planted in a show about nothing for the sake of making money and spawning derivative pieces. At least K-On had KyoAni's stimulus going for it.
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Simply one of these pieces couldn't realistically sustain a good story on its own, the same way a story can't be sustained on Pathos, Ethos, or Logos alone. |
K-ON had Pathos in some episodes. You can't tell me that the episode when Ui got sick and Yui had to actually do more things for herself, and realizing that people sometimes take for granted what it most precious to them wasn't emotionally moving. That episode also is where "U + Me" was written. Also that moment where Azusa pleads for her four sempais not to graduate.
There were also lots of small heartwarming moments as Mio slowly came more into her own, and where she finally let go of the serious facade during the Kyoto trip.
Again, there is no requirement of external forces needing to drive the story along(what we would call plot) for it to be good storytelling. It sounds like more like that you don't like the Slice of Life genre. And that comes down to a matter of personal taste.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:44 pm
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How do you feel about SHAFT? |
What the hell does SHAFT have to do with what he's talking about?
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:45 pm
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| AbZeroNow wrote: | | That episode also is where "U + Me" was written. |
U+I
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:48 pm
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| Fencedude5609 wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | |
How do you feel about SHAFT? |
What the hell does SHAFT have to do with what he's talking about? |
Do you know how they make their money?
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:48 pm
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| zeo1fan wrote: | |
Do you know how they make their money? |
They animate things in exchange for money.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:50 pm
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| zeo1fan wrote: | |
Citation where? I learned Plot, Character, and Theme as the primary building blocks for film and television in school. Louie isn't a sitcom. It's a black comedy about a comedian with a couple kids who encounters questions about life, society, and humanity in the day-to-day. |
Like I said I've never watched Louie. Use an anime example. Also you have yet to establish why you don't think K-On qualifies
| Quote: | | Is learning about film in school harmful to my credibility? |
Thats nice. Citations. Actually just provide actual [expletive] examples. |
But you ASKED for a citation. I'm confused.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:52 pm
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Do you know how they make their money? |
They animate things in exchange for money. |
They pander to the Otaku fanbase, while trying to be artistic as well. Trying to compromise between pure pandering and artistic ambition. They make a lot of money this way, therefore they'd be relevant to the discussion.
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Parse Error
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:52 pm
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| zeo1fan wrote: | | How do you feel about SHAFT? |
Are you considering referring to Madoka Magica by any chance? If so, you'll need to consider that anyone would have been eager to fund it given the big names behind the concept.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:57 pm
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| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Fencedude5609 wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | |
Do you know how they make their money? |
They animate things in exchange for money. |
They pander to the Otaku fanbase, while trying to be artistic as well. Trying to compromise between pure pandering and artistic ambition. They make a lot of money this way, therefore they'd be relevant to the discussion. |
Wait what?
Ok, you are either trolling or have no idea how anime production works.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:57 pm
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| zeo1fan wrote: | | How do you feel about SHAFT? |
Are you considering referring to Madoka Magica by any chance? If so, you'll need to consider that anyone would have been eager to fund it given the big names behind the concept. |
No, no, no. I'm referring to fare like 'Ground Control To Psycho-electric Girl' or 'Sasami-San@Ganbaranai'. Madoka was great because Gen wasn't trying to pander to anyone, but we'll call that the exception for now. What are your thoughts on their balance between pandering and ambition?
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Fencedude5609
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| zeo1fan wrote: | | How do you feel about SHAFT? |
Are you considering referring to Madoka Magica by any chance? If so, you'll need to consider that anyone would have been eager to fund it given the big names behind the concept. |
Madoka Magica is an interesting situation. It was quite a gamble, though one that did end up paying off nicely for everyone involved.
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RyanSaotome
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:58 pm
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| Parse Error wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | | How do you feel about SHAFT? |
Are you considering referring to Madoka Magica by any chance? If so, you'll need to consider that anyone would have been eager to fund it given the big names behind the concept. |
No, no, no. I'm referring to fare like 'Ground Control To Psycho-electric Girl' or 'Sasami-San@Ganbaranai'. Madoka was great because Gen wasn't trying to pander to anyone, but we'll call that the exception for now. What are your thoughts on their balance between pandering and ambition? |
Sasami-San sold like crap, so otaku didn't like that one.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:59 pm
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| RyanSaotome wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Parse Error wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | | How do you feel about SHAFT? |
Are you considering referring to Madoka Magica by any chance? If so, you'll need to consider that anyone would have been eager to fund it given the big names behind the concept. |
No, no, no. I'm referring to fare like 'Ground Control To Psycho-electric Girl' or 'Sasami-San@Ganbaranai'. Madoka was great because Gen wasn't trying to pander to anyone, but we'll call that the exception for now. What are your thoughts on their balance between pandering and ambition? |
Sasami-San sold like crap, so otaku didn't like that one. |
Also saying Sasami-san wasn't thematically ambitious makes me wonder if he even watched it.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:59 pm
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| Fencedude5609 wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Fencedude5609 wrote: |
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Do you know how they make their money? |
They animate things in exchange for money. |
They pander to the Otaku fanbase, while trying to be artistic as well. Trying to compromise between pure pandering and artistic ambition. They make a lot of money this way, therefore they'd be relevant to the discussion. |
Wait what?
Ok, you are either trolling or have no idea how anime production works. |
It seems like the conversation could be capped by a comment like that.
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zeo1fan
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Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:00 pm
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| Fencedude5609 wrote: |
| RyanSaotome wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: |
| Parse Error wrote: |
| zeo1fan wrote: | | How do you feel about SHAFT? |
Are you considering referring to Madoka Magica by any chance? If so, you'll need to consider that anyone would have been eager to fund it given the big names behind the concept. |
No, no, no. I'm referring to fare like 'Ground Control To Psycho-electric Girl' or 'Sasami-San@Ganbaranai'. Madoka was great because Gen wasn't trying to pander to anyone, but we'll call that the exception for now. What are your thoughts on their balance between pandering and ambition? |
Sasami-San sold like crap, so otaku didn't like that one. |
Also saying Sasami-san wasn't thematically ambitious makes me wonder if he even watched it. |
I didn't say it wasn't ambitious. Jesus.  I'm basically having two different conversations here.
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