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rinmackie



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:19 pm Reply with quote
Yaoi fan here. In my opinion both yaoi/BL and yuri are both pretty niche. But we do seem to get more yaoi over here but I don't think it some sort of conspiracy. It's just that "yuri", the kind aimed mostly at straight men, is pretty prevalent over here, except in live action form. While lesbian porn for lesbians is probably extremely niche in both countries.

We yaoi fans get mostly manga though, anime seems pretty scarce. Unless you count the recent popularity of subtext in regular anime, then we really don't get much at all. Yes, there is manga but even that part of the industry is barely staying afloat. My advice for those of you who want more yuri, besides buying what's available, is make your own! Lots of yaoi fans do, if Amazon is anything to go by. Some of it seems to be actually pretty good. There seems to be less hostility towards OEL/world manga among yaoi/BL fans.
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Fencedude5609



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:19 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
Chagen46 wrote:
A damn shame too. Many male MC's of Otaku shows actually quite cute, if generic...like Youto of Henneko. Damn shame there's not even the "MC's best friend" character in that.


Why are you watching stuff like Dog Days and Bakemonogatari for yaoi subtext and doujins? All the yaoi fans watch shows like Kuroko, Naruto, and Yu-Gi-Oh. Go watch those instead if you want an yaoi majority. Male-panding fanservice anime is the last place you'll see that stuff at.


Yeah, this is roughly equivalent to me watching HxH and whining that there aren't enough female characters for me to ship with each other.

Which, I'll have you know, I don't do. Because that would be really silly.
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Fencedude5609



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:22 pm Reply with quote
rinmackie wrote:
My advice for those of you who want more yuri, besides buying what's available, is make your own! Lots of yaoi fans do, if Amazon is anything to go by. Some of it seems to be actually pretty good. There seems to be less hostility towards OEL/world manga among yaoi/BL fans.


Well I was the author of Fanfiction.net's very first Shinka/Sanae fic, so I do try a little at least.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:24 pm Reply with quote
A huge derailment over what kind of fan porn is being made???
I have no words right now, none at all.
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Chagen46



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:27 pm Reply with quote
TitanXL wrote:
Chagen46 wrote:
A damn shame too. Many male MC's of Otaku shows actually quite cute, if generic...like Youto of Henneko. Damn shame there's not even the "MC's best friend" character in that.


Why are you watching stuff like Dog Days and Bakemonogatari for yaoi subtext and doujins? All the yaoi fans watch shows like Kuroko, Naruto, and Yu-Gi-Oh. Go watch those instead if you want an yaoi majority. Male-panding fanservice anime is the last place you'll see that stuff at.


I never even mentioned Bakemono...?

But Dog Days DOES have Gaul and Shinku...mmm.

In any case, looking for yaoi subtext in otaku anime is fun. Mainly because of how non-existent it is.

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But of course, I still don't know why you are hanging out on /a/ if you hate that so much when 4chan has not one, but two boards dedicated to what you prefer.


Because /a/ SOMETIMES has fun conversations. I like looking at the threads for anime I'm watching.

And really.../y/ and /cm/ are sometimes kind of iffy, especially since they don't have much shotacon.


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Fencedude5609



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:28 pm Reply with quote
Chagen46 wrote:

But Dog Days DOES have Gaul and Shinku...mmm.

In any case, looking for yaoi subtext in otaku anime is fun. Mainly because of how non-existent it is.


Which is fine. But then you turning around and whining about "yuri fans" of the same shows is just intensely irritating.

Also shows like that are a great way to prompt massive arguments on /u/, for reasons which should be obvious.
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Red Fox of Fire



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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 11:20 pm Reply with quote
Fencedude5609 wrote:
Red Fox of Fire wrote:
Fencedude5609 wrote:
Protip: Women are a major portion of the yuri fanbase.

Something like 60+% of Yuri Hime's subscribers are female.

This is true, though it should be noted that this is for legit, relationship-based yuri, not "two girls kissed, OMG HAWT!"


THATS WHAT I'M [expletive] TALKING ABOUT

Holy shit. That was my entire point about how most lesbian/yuri scenes in H anime aren't really "yuri" since they are "GIRL ON GIRL IS HOT" (but only if they also take penis like a good girl)

On the other hand, lets not pretend there isn't a large amount of actual Yuri smut. Both Yuri Hime and Tsubomi have had their fair share of smutty yuri mangas, and the SonoHanabira series of games has a VERY large female fanbase who are DEFINITELY into them for the yuri sexings.

There is a distinct tendency to label all porn as solely for men, absent the small amount of yaoi smut for the Fujoshi. Totally ignoring all the yuri smut that is legitimately aimed at female readers.

Uh, sorry for not making this clearer, but that was less for you and more for anyone who may be reading and not seeing specifically what you meant.
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stardf29



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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 1:43 am Reply with quote
On a completely different note...

The question about being able to wipe your memory and watch a show with a clean slate was amusing because the exact topic came up in this week's episode of Yuyushiki. (Whoever asked question #3, Yukari totally agrees with you. Razz )

That said, a semi-recent Cracked article posits that spoilers can actually enhance your enjoyment of a movie (or show), since you're not as focused on the plot developments and the suspense, so you can relax and take in everything else about the movie and be able to get a better understanding of it.

I'd agree with that myself to some extent. In my opinion, plot twists are overrated. A lot of "spoilers" are highly predictable, and any plot twist worth talking about shouldn't lose its impact on future viewings, as they should be genuinely good turning points for the story in and of themselves. Sure, that first viewing and the suspense and surprise within are all great, and as Brian said, if you want to re-live that experience, show it to someone else who hasn't seen it! But besides that, I'd say it's still worth re-watching those shows, as now that you aren't being gripped by the plot, you can go ahead and catch all those little details that you couldn't notice before... a completely different, yet potentially even more fulfilling experience.
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dtm42



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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:27 am Reply with quote
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Usually people will re-watch a movie or series to catch those details. The first viewing should be relatively pure. Little spoilers may make us excited (like a particularly cool move the hero does), and having at least a vague sense of the story before watching something is often useful and appreciated. After all, that's why books have blurbs. But massive plot twists being spoiled beforehand is just not on. If someone had spoiled Sixth Sense to me before I watched it I am certain I would not have gotten the same "aha" moment when it all became clear. Moments like those are priceless and should not be denied.
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EireformContinent



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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:29 am Reply with quote
On the other hand try to find anyone who doesn't know that it was his sled, Luke has daddy issues and Titanic doesn't make it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:51 am Reply with quote
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And your point is?
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EireformContinent



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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:20 am Reply with quote
People still watch and enjoy them, even if they know the plot twists that used to be it's mayor points.
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Fencedude5609



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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:30 am Reply with quote
EireformContinent wrote:
People still watch and enjoy them, even if they know the plot twists that used to be it's mayor points.


Ok, thats nice.

There's a BIIIG difference between movies made 70 years ago or about events a century ago and, for example, an episode of anime that aired yesterday
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egoist
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:38 am Reply with quote
Fencedude5609 wrote:
EireformContinent wrote:
People still watch and enjoy them, even if they know the plot twists that used to be it's mayor points.


Ok, thats nice.

There's a BIIIG difference between movies made 70 years ago or about events a century ago and, for example, an episode of anime that aired yesterday


I knowww. Time is such a bitch.
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EireformContinent



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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 3:51 am Reply with quote
Fencedude5609 wrote:
EireformContinent wrote:
People still watch and enjoy them, even if they know the plot twists that used to be it's mayor points.


Ok, thats nice.

There's a BIIIG difference between movies made 70 years ago or about events a century ago and, for example, an episode of anime that aired yesterday

And the difference is?
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