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NEWS: Canadian Man Jailed for 'Anime' & Real Child Pornography


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dtm42



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:20 am Reply with quote
ModalSilverSoul wrote:
I want to see if people try to defend this guy like they've been defending the others.


He had real child porn, he deserves to be chemically or physically castrated and thrown in prison for a very long time. That's what I believe. I have no sympathy for him.

That said, I am interested to know how old the children were. There's a big difference between looking at images of a toddler and looking at images of a teenage cam whore a month away from legal age.

tuxedocat wrote:
I've noticed that there are different ideologies when it come to law enforcement in Japan vs. Western countries. Japan reasons that if you give the potential offender a substitute, it will keep the person from acting on their predilection. The Western law enforcement ideology is that the person possessing the material will likely escalate their predilection and commit assault (or worse).


Both the Westerners and the Japanese are wrong. Manga does not lead to increased chance of sexual violence, but it also does not act as a substitute. That's because these guys don't have any real-world predilections to act on in the first place. If they weren't consuming Hentai Manga they'd be no more likely to offend than before. Porn does not satisfy an urge (except to masturbate of course), nor does it create one. Porn can and does create fetishes, but they're not the same thing.
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javeska



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:57 am Reply with quote
Because there was pornography with real children I'm not going to defend this guy....HOWEVER...the whole war against child pornography as far as anime/manga is concerned drives me nuts.

My college professor had us read the book Lolita for a class. Has anyone here read that? At college it's literature. It's messed up beyond belief but will they be arresting anyone for reading or teaching it?

I'm not saying anime/manga is on the same level but if you're going to arrest people for one type and not the other? (And the book has two movies made.)
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Gyt Kaliba



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:20 am Reply with quote
Like everyone else has said, I can't defend this guy if he had real child porn on his computer in addition to fake stuff. The fake stuff still shouldn't be prosecutable IMO because, again, nobody is actually harmed, at all. Real pictures though are a whole other ball game...

However, I'm left with two questions reading this. First off, how old were the 'kids' in the real pictures? If it was actually little kids, then get this guy some major help while he's in all of this mess, to make sure he would never want to look at such things again. If it was, as someone else suggested, like 16 and 17 year olds though, while he still shouldn't be looking...that's hardly a 'child' at all, and the law really needs to catch up with current technology and such around this issue.

Secondly, it mentions something towards the end of the article about him being allowed on a computer 'only with adult supervision'. How old is the Canadian man in the first place?
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Ginsan



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:46 am Reply with quote
Hey look here, I own some violent games and anime, oh my god I am going to murder someone if I own them, yeah oh course, it's freaking because I own JUST A [expletive] GAME, and I'll be sentenced, right? /sarcasm Sorry bro, you might as well as make the world even more plain than it is now. Easy way, ban everything related to child pornography (damn just ban every pornography then), and everything that's R+17, why not, if you're going to let them play R+17 games, they might murder someone you know, like the Call Of Duty case, the kid killed his mother for snatching his COD game, what the fudge why not? Just ban them all, if that's the law you go by now, WHY NOT I ASK
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Soundmonkey44



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:57 am Reply with quote
If it had just been anime, maybe he could have been defended. But as is, sick sod got what he deserved.
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ModalSilverSoul



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:00 am Reply with quote
Tenbyakugon wrote:
I don't care what your culture or ideology is, child porn and condoning it is disgusting. End of story.


Thank you
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kei0kusanagi



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:08 am Reply with quote
He had real child porn pictures? I can't defend him. Anime hyper I also want to know if these "Anime" pictures are actually Anime, only because people who doesn't even watch Japanese anime at all would know. Of course I'm not defending him, I'm just curious. I have some friends calling them cartoons and the other way around.
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Kougeru



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:24 am Reply with quote
Adamb15 wrote:
That is a complicated punishment for this crime.

Very strange.

Also, what's with the perfect 10:1 ratio of loli to CP?
Canada is strange.


And in before a crapload of comments, loli viewers are pedophiles. They aren't child molestors, but they are pedophiles; They are only causing more trouble repressing the truth.
The best example I can come up with which is the same thing is this:
If you are a man and enjoy the sexual element of Yaoi but would never participate in gay sex in real life, you are homosexual or bisexual.
No they're not. Pedophiles have an attraction to children. Lolis are not children, they're drawings. A lot of people like loli but do not like real girls of any kind, child or adult. And vice versa, obviously since the majority of people on Earth don't like hentai in any way. Why would it work one way by not the other?
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TsunaReborn!



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:54 am Reply with quote
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Lolis are not children, they're drawings.


Drawings depicting children.

(Before people start roid raging I know the children are not real and no child is being harmed in loli)


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Polycell



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 9:57 am Reply with quote
It's hard to know what to make of it without knowing some details about the RL pictures(they could've been dtm42's month-shy camwhores in half-dressed poses for all we know), though the reference to a story involving an eight/nine year old(while irrelevant, I'm curious as to the reason for the ambiguity) does increase the likelihood they featured actual children.
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Angel M Cazares



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:25 am Reply with quote
That sick bastard deserved to go to jail. Some people are implying that if he did not have real life child pornography, they would defend him. What?

Anime child pornography should be prosecuted as real life child pornography. I hate that people want to defend their deviant behaviors under that idea that anime is not real.
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Polycell



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:30 am Reply with quote
So you want to punish people for possessing arrangements of ink that offend you; that's all well and good, but some of us believe crimes require a victim.
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revolutionotaku



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:46 am Reply with quote
Isn't Lolion & Shotacon originally created to help decrease the number of sex crimes against children in Japan?

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TsunaReborn!



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:49 am Reply with quote
Polycell wrote:
So you want to punish people for possessing arrangements of ink that offend you; that's all well and good, but some of us believe crimes require a victim.


It's a crime, for example, for me to drive around without my seat belt on also to take drugs... These are classed as victemless crimes. Should these be in the same catorgary as loli?
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Kutsu



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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 10:52 am Reply with quote
Polycell wrote:
So you want to punish people for possessing arrangements of ink that offend you; that's all well and good, but some of us believe crimes require a victim.


But...but, have you thought one second about the poor piece of paper ? And what about the poor tree that was used to make the paper on which such satanic material was drawn ? What about the poor computer and the poor USB key/hard disk drive that are forced to host such offensive material ? All these things have feelings too you know !
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