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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Angel M Cazares
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Sure, I would be in favor of banning ALL crimes in fiction. I love anime like AnoHana, where no one is raped or murdered. |
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animefanworried
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If I wasn't 100% sure that you're trolling, I'd point at the Zeta Gundam avatar you have while making that statement. |
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EmbraceMe
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Did you forget that Anaru was nicknamed "Anal" by some viewers (not here, of course) and almost spoiler[coerced into visiting a love hotel? Did you also forget that Yukiatsu was crossdressing as a younger Menma and smelling a dress resembling Menma's?] Last edited by EmbraceMe on Wed May 29, 2013 8:06 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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TitanXL
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The law states "the purpose of satisfying sexual curiosity" with underage characters. Fanservice is most definitely appeals to sexual curiosity and sex appeal, and all those series features nudity or at least underwear/fanservice of underage characters in sexual situations. Unless people really want to argue showing the kids in Evangelion nude totally wasn't done for sexual purposes and was a deep, philosophical introspective look on the psyche of their deep characters. That's the thing with 'obscene' porn laws, it boils down to the age old "I can't describe it, but I'll know it when I see it" mentality which means the law is in the hands of a person's whims. |
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classicjelly
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I'm sorry and I might get my comment deleted but you are [expletive] retarded. You have no idea how badly this will hurt the industry. Why don't you try picking up drawing skills and show everyone what good manga/anime story telling, character design, setting, etc should look like 99% of the time? Please show us the ideal creativity you so want everyone to see instead of the "masturbation material" for otaku(s). You always have Marvel to read. Or are you one of those toonami faithful retards? Those artists spent hours upon hours to get good at what they love and you're telling me they should just lose their jobs to fit your wants?I hope you realize how many companies on the adult side would go out of business because of this. You have no idea. Last edited by classicjelly on Wed May 29, 2013 7:47 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Alexander55
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@TitanXL
Yeah, it would affect a whole lot of shows. That's why Comiket and co are fighting to dig the bill because they know it compromises good part of the industry. @Actar Thanks! You're always going to have people who wanna impose their beliefs and set of values on others. I think most of us are already civilized enough not to pull stupid stunts in the public and respect other people's personal lives. But people do it anyway. People wanna ban books, they wanna ban video games, they wanna ban Pokemon, they wanna ban porn, they wanna ban cigarettes, they wanna ban everything because people can't fix the REAL problems their society has. Some kid killed herself by jumping off her apartment in Russia and now everyone's blaming it all on the Death Note manga she held. They recruiting an army of soccer moms and are petitioning Putin to ban the particular manga. Can't you believe it? Don't these people have anything better to do. For all we know, the kid could have been bullied in schools or have had serious anxiety issues that were left untreated. @angelmcazares Nope, can't agree with regulating fiction. Fiction has been the center piece of culture worldwide and what established thought and imagination in many of us. Can't take the heat? Don't bother reading or watching that series. |
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animefanworried
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So their saying she died because of a book known as the Death Note who forces kids to commit suicide? They're like what? One step short of calling in L.
Not only that, but their may have been possible abuse in the home as well, if an abusive parent wants to put the blame elsewhere, fiction as a scapegoat would be the way to go. I totally agree with you though, and the claims that she killed herself because of a bad book is actually degrading to her person considering that she, as you said, probably had genuine problems that consumed her. |
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Angel M Cazares
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First, use spoiler tags. Second, my statement is accurate: no one is raped or murdered in AnoHana. And we were just talking about rape and murder; what you are adding is irrelevant as far as crimes are concerned.
When did I say that I want to regulate fiction? I apologize if my idea of eliminating child pornography in fiction is too radical. Last edited by Angel M Cazares on Wed May 29, 2013 8:07 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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labmember001
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This kind of ignorance is exactly why this kind of law is so dangerous. Everyone assumes it will just stop child porn, when that's not at all what the law will do. This law will make owning most anime/manga ever released illegal and a jail-able offense. Shirahoshi from One Piece's outfit could easily be said to be used for "the purpose of satisfying sexual curiosity" and she's 16. This means the 3-4 million people who bought the manga volumes with her in it could be thrown in prison.
That may be true, but even the opening scene of AnoHana could be called "satisfying sexual curiosity" and you could be thrown in jail for owning it under this new law. Last edited by labmember001 on Wed May 29, 2013 8:18 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Greboruri
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Right here;
If that's not asking fiction to be regulated, then I don't know what it is. |
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Angel M Cazares
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I did not know that this law was not only about child pornography. TitanXL explained well how this proposed law could potentially hurt anime/manga. If this law passes, and it turns into a witch hunt, I would not be cool with it. |
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EmbraceMe
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I've added the spoiler tags so you may want to add it onto what you quoted; I hastily posted that without adding what I meant to say. What I meant to say was that while there wasn't exactly rape in AnoHana -- (this part is spoilers to the series) spoiler[Anaru was almost coerced into sex] which under the proposed law would be "sexualizing minors." I should also mention that Anaru has a voluptuous body which may fall under "the purpose of satisfying sexual curiosity." 
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VORTIA
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Considering your avatar, are you trolling, or do you seriously not realise how hypocritical a statement this is for a fan of Zeta Gundam? |
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Alexander55
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Its the same thing dude. Its like wanted to have violent video games banned(such as FPS, fighting games) because you are fighting or killing other 3D "people" in those video games. Should we ban them because they portray fictional human beings being killed? Of course not. Its just fiction. Now tell me. Some 11-year old kid killed his mother because she took his Call of Duty game from him. Should we ban Call of duty because that kid killed his mother? Obviously not. I'm not a fan of that video game series but just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm going to start some petition with a bunch of politicians and ban it. The kid that killed his mother over the video game was given a big rifle as his birthday present. And she let him play around with it all day long. A rifle...to a 11 year. That's some real great parenting right there!
Exactly and these laws are purposely worded vaguely so they can be abused. Its why its good news to see all of these organizations and groups taking action. I hope that motivates the otaku to start their rebellion. Code Gease style! I can imagine someone cosplaying as Lelouch leading the masses. But what do you guys think will be a good leader for this rebellion? Any ideas 
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