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Snomaster1
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I don't know what to think on this. On the one hand,child pornography is awful. It destroys the innocence of children and hurts society. But,you don't want to go too far and destroy legitimate comics and manga and those who make it. You've got to be very careful when you make laws like this.
It's a good thing that we in America have a First Amendment to protect free expression. Japan doesn't seem to have that. Like I said before,you need to be careful when you make those sorts of laws. You've got to make sure that you don't trample on people's legitimate right to free expression. Porn may be bad but you've got to tread carefully between the really,really nasty stuff and stuff that isn't. It's a fine line to walk when you make laws against porn. You've got to make you don't go too far and squash people's free expression. |
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labmember001
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Yeah Vivi was my first thought, Shirahoshi was my second. Maybe Perona... |
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animefanworried
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Wow I just realized something: Whenever someone used to post stuff like "I'm an old school fan and like anime from the golden age, I can't get into the new stuff." I used to think they were just looking at anime through nostalgia glasses and couldn't allow themselves to enjoy modern series. But in about 1 - 3 months' time, we'll all be able to say "Damn modern anime, I remember the old days, when anime used to be good." Suddenly I feel old.
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FuriFuu
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The likelihood of this bill passing as the other one before it is greater <First>. One reason is because there is simply not enough awareness of what these bills actually are targeting which is essentially cartoonists and readers. It is to penalize cartoonists from creating or distributing works of fiction. Another is there is not enough of those speaking up against these bills(so far) except for the few listed in this article. Mostly anyone who sees a bill on the subject of CP will not question it. But the definition of what constitutes CP (which is the involvement and evidence of an actual minor) and whether or not Japanese cartoons ARE harmful has been an critical but avoided issue all-together. It's no different than the issue of video-games being "harmful" as well as other medias in the past except Japanese cartoons being the ones almost exclusively dismissed upon the subject all-together. We have the obvious side of CP issue in which an actual identifiable minor is harmed(for which it's purpose of being illegal is in the first place). Then we have manga and anime, where no harm of any actual child exist and contains no real identifiable person in it's creation. The current revision bill is so broad and with regulations done by governments in past the broadness of bills is sweeping where anything can fall under it's category. That could possibly mean Dragon Ball being illegal because of Goku's nudity, or Strike Witches illegal because of clothes. Love Ru illegal because of the story centering around a young protagonist experiencing both puberty and attraction towards female companions.BTOOOM illegal because of the protagonists ages like Himiko. Other japanese cartoons produced by companies or free-lance artists will surely be effected. Considering the past reputation of government bodies taking laws and running with them it was more likely done on purpose for this purpose. The problems with this bill in it's entirety is that it's an enforcement of political correctness in the artist world and the governments basically telling artists what they can and cannot create within their own stories, with their own characters. Japanese cartoons if not majority is a medium that is both politically incorrect, artistically talented, and diversely creative. Which is one of the reasons why Japanese cartoons gained international popularity in the first place. I don't think those who are blindly supporting this law(excluding the politicians of course) understand that it's not just hentai variety(or dissapprovement of kodomo no jikan) this bill is aiming at. This bill is essentially design where Japanese government can basically say "I don't like your work go to prison" while endorsing both stereotypes and fear-factors. These bills <claim> of protecting children by penalizing manga, but how is Japanese cartoonists victimizing real people when there are no real people involved or harmed in the creation of products in first place? There are many talented cartoonists in Japan. I would hate to see work from both artists from the past and future get out-right criminal offenses due to their works. |
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Laserpewpewpew
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You think I am a troll do you? Pornographic images of children, in ANY FORM, is WRONG and there is absolutely no way you can argue with me, can you? I really don't care if the artists have a tizzy-fit over this. Anything that crosses the line of naked underage women is absolutely immoral and evil. End of story. Or do you think differently? |
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Mr. Oshawott
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Make no mistake: I'm in agreement that real child porn should be under serious regulation or, in certain cases, even banned. However, going after fictional material of "sexualized" underage girls doesn't address the problem, since all that does is severely limit the artists' creativity and criminalize innocent people that already have it. |
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Gilles Poitras
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That is the old national law. Current law ranges from 16, in one prefecture, to 18 in all others. |
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Gilles Poitras
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So the bath scene in My Neighbor Totoro should be banned? Two nude girls in that. |
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smashwagon
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I agree that pornographic images of children is wrong (i.e. children having sex with adults in particular) but disagree completely that images of nudity (or nudity in person) is in any way immoral or evil. As human beings nudism is our natural state, it is the way we are meant to be. Most everybody is attractive naked (as opposed to the very few of us that are attractive wearing clothing). If you as someone of adult age looks at a naked child and thinks sexual thoughts, the problem isn't with the child, but with you. I live in Florida and it is hot here, so you see naked children running around all the time, at their homes, at the beach, at the park... it isn't a problem. When it comes to art, I believe in pure freedom of expression. That doesn't mean that I want to see everyone's art (certainly some art offends my aesthetic and ethical tastes) but everyone should be allowed to express themselves any way they want. |
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VORTIA
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Nice argument, bro. I'm sure repeating yourself ad nauseum is sure to win over folks. I mean, it's so well thought out and compelling. How about this: No it's not. It's a drawing. It's no more evil than a drawing of a murder or a bank robbery, because it's just fiction. It hurts the same number of people (0) and may be tasteless, but "I think this is gross" is not a reason to call others "evil" or send them to jail. If you ask me, the "evil" folks are the ones stirring up a 21st century witch hunt over art. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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yes I do think your a troll and your not even worth a minute of a civil discussion. In fact i'm going to stop talking to you mid sentence... |
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mdo7
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Don't worry, Cecilthedarkknight_234, I've already reported this bible thumping idiot (if he is one) to the mod. get ready to be ban, you bible thumping SOB anime/manga hating troll. You're no longer welcome on this forum. If I see you again, you're going to get ban again no matter what. |
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Zalis116
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DKL
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Yo... it'd be like 20th Century Boys: real life edition. I'm now just waiting for the part where someone uses rock and roll to save the world. |
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revolutionotaku
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Censorship laws such as this one finally proves that the passage of Bill 156 will eventually lead to other laws that will try to later ban other works of anime & manga in the future (unless the industry & fans do something about it).
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