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NEWS: Downloaded Sora no Otoshimono Copy Shown at Funimation Studio

The King of Harts wrote:

The only thing that I find especially strange about this whole thing is that they were using subtitled videos in dubbing. How is that not annoying for the actors? And I'm not talking about the subs being on the screen since they can be turned off, I'm talking about having to wait until they put the line back up during each retake. It'd be easier to either look down at the physical script or look over to the other monitor.

They aren't reading the subtitles off the video as the script isn't the same (FUNimation's own subtitle script isn't even the same as CR's).

asimpson2006 wrote:

I can't install it on that. It has no problems with AVI files, so I might just spend the time converting the MKV files to AVI.

I'm assuming you've uninstalled all the codecs + players (clean the registry with ccleaner if your ok with this), restart PC and retry to install CCCP? Tried K-lite?

Ryojen wrote:

asimpson2006 wrote: My MKV player doesn't always pick up the subs right away. May I suggest the CCCP codec package with Media Player Classic? That usually solves most fansub playback issues.

I can't install it on that.

Horriblesubs ripping video from Crunchyroll is ILLEGAL.
Funimation suing 1337 people for downloading fansubs, then downloading fansubs themselves is HYPOCRITICAL.

asimpson2006 wrote:

Ryojen wrote: asimpson2006 wrote: My MKV player doesn't always pick up the subs right away. May I suggest the CCCP codec package with Media Player Classic? That usually solves most fansub playback issues. I can't install it on that.

The hell are you talking about? Are you using VLC or something? No wonder if you have issues, VLC is a pile of crap. Uninstall that, install CCCP, use MPC-HC that comes with CCCP and voila, you're set for basically perfect playback.

Perhaps I'm ignorant of some of the facts. I thought Crunchyroll had gone legit years ago and now licenses the anime it streams (e.g. Sora no Otoshimono). If its translations are authorized, then they're protected. Thus Funi would either need permission directly from CR, or something in CR's license agreement to allow the production committee to relicense the subtitles to Funi.

While legally right on using the fansub, it does paint a not so nice picture of them considering their anti-fansub actions. As someone said before, "Do as I say, not as I do." They legally used a illegal fansub because it was convienent for them to do so. Much like what people who watch fansubs do.

Anyhoo, the film and music industry tried to make the same claim... that piracy was responsible for their lagging sales. Of course, that claim has repeatedly been proven false, but that doesn't stop them from using the same old song and dance. Funimation is playing the same game, using fansubbers as a scapegoat to cover their own asses. But tell me, if the situation is really so dire, how is Crunchyroll doing so well? Possibly because they're offering a superior product (HD streaming) as compared to Funimation's undeniably substandard streaming efforts?

So what is emerging is an increasingly "ephemeral" global music culture based not upon the purchasing of discrete physical packages of music, but on the discovery and subsequent promotion of musicians through file sharing. The big winner in this model is not the digital music file seller, but the touring band, whose music is easily discoverable on the 'Net. As with so much of the rest of the emerging world economy, the shift is away from buying things and towards purchasing services—in this case tickets to concerts and related activities.

Nobody cares that Funi is using HorribleSubs rips. What we DO care about is their constant whining about how piracy is "killing the industry." We know that's a lie, Funi. Stop making excuses and adapt your business model to a post-piracy environment like Crunchyroll did. The only way to beat the fansubbers is to offer a better product than them.

Criticizing Funimation's streaming efforts as "substandard", when they have the largest streaming viewership in North America also seems a bit tenuous. And of course they also have the broadest download to own distribution in North America.

Illegal and hypocritical are not the same thing.

Horriblesubs ripping video from Crunchyroll is ILLEGAL.

Funimation suing 1337 people for downloading fansubs, then downloading fansubs themselves is HYPOCRITICAL.

The fat cats on Wall Street who knowingly drove the economy into the ground weren't doing anything illegal.

Ironic, considering the staff of ANN themselves watches fansubs for their season preview guides. Is that illegal, hypocritical or both?

Clearly some people can't change their mind even with the facts right in front of them.

Anyhoo, the film and music industry tried to make the same claim... that piracy was responsible for their lagging sales. Of course, that claim has repeatedly been proven false

Criticizing Funimation's streaming efforts as "substandard", when they have the largest streaming viewership in North America also seems a bit tenuous. And of course they also have the broadest download to own distribution in North America.

agila61 wrote:

Criticizing Funimation's streaming efforts as "substandard", when they have the largest streaming viewership in North America also seems a bit tenuous. And of course they also have the broadest download to own distribution in North America.

Largest streaming viewership according to whom? FUNimation? What, have they asked CR for US viewer numbers and compared? You do know that you're probably taking marketing buzzwords at face value?

Also, it's easy to have "the broadest download to own distribution in North America" when you pretty much have the only DTO market available as far as anime goes. That doesn't stop FUNi's DTO options from being total crap, though.

And FUNi is most definitely not the largest DTO provider in the US if we count in illegal options,

FUNimation's streaming and DTO services are absolutely pathetic both tech- and option-wise. The most obvious point where this shows in is that you can't get HD video from FUNimation online even if you were ready to pay for it.

That came out in the great press release war of early 2009. Crunchyroll compared their unique US visitors to Funimation.com, and Funimation came back with their total views in the same months including syndication ~ clearly their syndicated streams at Hulu and YouTube are a much larger share of their viewership than Funimation.com.

However, a suggestion that they are unwilling to try new business models ~ the substance of the critique that you referred to ~ gains no support by any complaints about their execution of that model, so this is an obvious red herring.

which would be insane to do. Bootlegs do not have the cost structure of legit content, so a viable illegal bootleg business model tells us very little about available viable legit business models.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I say ANN is a joke. Posting here gets you trapped between the mods and their sycophants.

agila61 wrote:

which would be insane to do. Bootlegs do not have the cost structure of legit content, so a viable illegal bootleg business model tells us very little about available viable legit business models.

The point of bringing it up was that there's obviously a market out there that prefers files that they can download.