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Zac
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The whole "Firefly is a ripoff of Outlaw Star" discussion ended years ago, feel free to let it go anytime you like. |
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Caro-chan
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Good luck on those GRE's, Bamboo. My husband had to take them a few years ago. I just hope your future grad school or subject doesn't hold qualifying exams as well. Those suckers are about 12000 times worse.
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kopiikat
Posts: 29 Location: a realm of subtitles and bad dubbing |
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While I see what you're saying about Firefly and Bebop not being the same, I have to disagree slightly. Of course, there are many differences, some of the major ones being that there are many more characters in Firefly and they all depend on one another more than the characters in Bebop did, that the goals of the characters and their driving forces are (mostly) different, and that their actual jobs are also different, but there are many similarities as well.
There are a number of "tortured souls" in both, they are both able to be funny and serious without using many overdone cliches, and, as you mentioned, many of the archetypes used are similar. Also, the crews are similar in that they both make their own rules and follow their own moral codes, yet the viewer can easily identify with them. You also can't ignore the fact that they also both have dreary, yet homey and loveable, ships as their home base. What I'm basically saying is, the atmospheres of the two series overlap, and the quality is similar, and that, because of that, a person who likes one will most likely like (or, at least, respect,) the other. That is why I, at least, tend to compare them, especially when recommending one to someone who has seen the other. |
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mufurc
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In the Gankutsuou fanbook there's an interview with director Maeda Mahiro where he mentions that he immediately fell in love with Nakata's voice because, besides all the strength and resolution, his voice also has this ever-present, slightly melancholy overtone that fits the role to a T. In my opinion he has a very beautiful voice, even his natural speaking voice is compelling. (Apparently Seki Tomokazu, a great fan of the original story, also applied to the role of the Count, but his voice was too young for the role. However, he wanted to be in the cast no matter what, and he eventually landed the role of Benedetto.) The rest of the voice actors are also great - Fukuyama Jun, especially, gave a fantastic performance as Albert... shame that the BL CD industry swallowed him right after. :/ I hope I'll hear him again in an anime (that's not about pretty boys prancing around *cough*ClusterEdge*cough*). |
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Tony K.
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That man is, by far, one of my favorite seiyuu. His voice just has that unique quality that makes him stand out. You could call it booming, sturdy, powerful, or something to the aspect of being strong, but all of his performances I've heard always carry that "thing" he has. His role as Alucard was the first time I heard him, and I've been a big fan ever since. Alucard the character, as you can surmise, is pretty brooding. He's a vampire with "mad skills" in terms of both gun handling and the black arts, and has a bit of a quirky attitude, in that lord-of-darkness kind of way. Nakata-san does a perfect job, in my opinion, to capture that dark and creepy essense with just the right hint of malice and a touch of sadistic when need be. While Crispin Freeman did a decent stand-in job for the dub, there are three things that keep me preferring the sub; Nakata-san's voice, Nachi Nozawa's role as Anderson (who both he and Nataka do a tremendous job of acting like psychos  ), and the fact that the audio is slightly louder on the Japanese track.
With all English/British subtlties aside, while the dubbing is still very good, I stand by my disposition for those three things I mentioned. Check it out soon, you won't be disappointed  .
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biliano
Posts: 956 Location: Cleveland, OH |
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Tony K. and mufurc: Thank you very much for your insights!
 I'll definitely check out more of his past performances, most especially his work in Elfen Lied and Hellsing.
When I first heard him in Gankutsuou, the first thing that came to my mind after he uttered the Count's first line was "Brilliant! Perfect voice!"; and from then on, I was smittened by how powerful and dynamic this man's voice is. After only watching the first 4 episodes, the Count already became one of my all-time favorite anime characters, and I have Nataka-san to thank for that!
(I should also mentioned that although I am primarily a dub watcher, I have no desire whatsoever to watch Gankutsuou in English. No offense to the English-speaking actors, but IMO they won't even come close to capturing the essence of these remarkable characters that the seiyuus had.) Last edited by biliano on Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:55 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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icepick314
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aaaaaah....Cowboy Bebop...Bandai's cash cow...
just like Evangelion....how many different releases it had since VHS days? btw...i own 3 different versions of Eva...from VHS to first released DVD to Platinum Edition... and I also will be owning 3 different versions of Cowboy Bebop...first released DVD, this Remix version, and Japanese collector's boxset which has awesome packaging and box for the DVDs.... |
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Starwind Amada
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Because Bebop came out in '98, whereas OS came out in '99.
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Chiroptera Rex
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Actually, Outlaw Star, Trigun, and Cowboy Bebop all premiered in the same year with OS premiering first and Bebop last. All three of them have a copyright on their respective intros as 1998.
I picked up my copy of the first Bebop Remix right away. I absolutely love the fact that you can skip past all the company stuff at the beginning and get right to the main menu. And the time between menus is much faster as well. Much more like recent DVDs which is a plus to me. When I first watched the Remix, however, I noticed something. I really don't know if I'm right or not, but I know that I've watched Bebop quite a few times and I just noticed that the Previews for the Next Episode sounded a bit off to me, almost like they were redone. I did feel that I was right when I watched the preview for ep 5 and noticed that Steven Jay Blum called the ep "BALLAD FOR FALLEN ANGELS" instead of "BALLAD OF FALLEN ANGELS". He said it right on the older DVD version. Did anyone else notice this? Did they redo the previews? Last edited by Chiroptera Rex on Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:04 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ANN_Bamboo
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I couldn't agree more. I usually watch the sub track first, and I just died at the sound of his voice. It rumbles like thunder, and gives so much nobility and power to the character. It's absolutely PERFECT for the role. The episode recaps that he does in French bowl me over as well (does he do them, or does someone else?). I expected really terrible, terrible French, but it rolls off so smoothly and elegantly that I couldn't help but love the voice to pieces. The English actor portrays the Count very nicely too, but Nataka is absolutely breath-taking. |
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uhmmmm
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I'm not really satisfied with the review of Cowboy Bebop. And not (only) because I disagree with its placement. The whole review was done with the assumption that everybody who will ever want to buy it already has, and I haven't bought it yet.
I find Shelf Life helpful in two ways. One is it tells me some of the extras and special touches that have been put into the DVDs, and it introduces me to some anime I've never seen or heard of before. I do not find it especially helpful for deciding whether or not to buy a new version of something, because, let's face it - If I like something enough to consider buying it again, I probably won't be swayed much by what other people think about it. I think most other people are probably the same.
That says to me that it really should be put in shelf-worthy, with a note in the review to people that have already bought it that it may not be worth it to them to rebuy it. Not the other way around. |
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ANN_Bamboo
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With Cowboy Bebop, I kind of wrestled with myself over where to put it. I mentioned that people who hadn't bought the show yet may want to consider getting Remix, but for such a well-known show, I was operating under the assumption that people have already been exposed to this show already, whether through DVDs or TV. With the Evangelion re-release, I genuinely think there's a good reason to buy the series again, because not only has the audio been upgraded, but the video has been remastered as well. With Bebop, it's just the audio. The release itself is so unimpressive that I put it in Rental as a means to say that I don't think the disc merits buying, unless you don't currently own it. The review already tells people what they need to know when it comes to deciding whether or not to buy it-- that it's the same as the original release, only with 5.1 audio. So, based on that alone, people should be able to decide whether or not they think it's worth it. I do see your point though, and I have to say that it's something I considered for a good half hour before I actually placed the title. I spent a good deal of time this week just trying to figure out where to place things, because so many things sat on the cusp for me. You're right that I was wrong to assume that most people already had Bebop; I'll adjust my viewpoint for later volumes. Thanks! |
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Captain Crotchspike
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"NO! It is ze FARGATE!" \ 
Well, that's cartoon porn for you. Improbable stuff like that is one of the reasons people watch it. That case in particular happens a lot in hentai.
So is it Bible Black level high quality sex, typical lower budget fare, or somewhere in between? Are the sex scenes overall as sloppily done as the incident with the tattoo (smaller mistakes like that don't come as a surprise, really)? I'm wondering just what "as far as hentai goes" suggests. I saw "As far as hentai with dark storylines go, Bible Black was better", but with all the emphasis put on the plot and the shoving aside of the sex (which 90% of the reason I watch hentai), I'm not sure what to think. |
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ananda
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Well actually the French part was done by a Different VA and NOT the VA of the Count himself. If you want you can visit this link and read it for yourself; it's the very last Post: animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17545&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=15 Last edited by ananda on Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Jariten
Company Representative
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I think he does the voice... I'll check later. For people annoyed by the art style of the show, keep watching... the plot buildup and character development in Gankutsuou is a wonder to behold. If you give it a chance, there's a very good chance you'll get hooked. |
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